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    Posted: 25 Feb 15 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by JimC

Its obviously my day for getting everyone to hate me, but honestly, in the world I was educated in the word for a made up quote is a lie. Take the quote marks and the "Fred said" out, and you can have exactly the same text in the press release and it isn't dishonest.

On one occasion when it happened to me I was livid. I wasn't asked for a quote or even consulted, and what was attributed to me was ungrammatical and not something I'd have said under any circumstances. Frankly I felt it was bordering on libellous. But you can't really sue your own organisation for libel can you? I'm sure the person who wrote it thought they were doing the right thing, but they'd been corrupted by what seems to be an accepted dishonesty in their profession.

To be fair writing quotes is standard practice but what should also be standard practice is getting the person for whom you may have written a quote to approve it.

If you do a release and write a quote for someone and don't ask them to review you are heading for trouble.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 15 at 6:57pm
I have never written a quote for someone else and not then got it cleared with the person supposedly speaking.  I object to the phrase 'accepted dishonesty' but can't be bothered to argue about it.  I'll just hate Jim instead.  Wink

On the subject of Andy Davies, he's now done several sail repairs for me, the last one being on a rust stained manky  Sprog mainsail.  He did a fantastic job at a bargain price.  The other jobs were on my D One mainsail.  Again quality work with a great appraisal of the state of the sail, all at a great price.  He is clearly a craftsman and has a really good attitude.
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Originally posted by winging it

 
Oh, and Chris 249, come and meet Nick Craig.
 
I'd love to meet Nick Craig - he's an inspirational sailor and person, and by coincidence the other day I was thinking of starting a "NC for ISAF Sailor of the Year" thread.  But the fact that Nick is a brilliant sailor does nothing to prove that the regattas he sails in are any harder to win than many other regattas in other classes and other places. There are many other brilliant sailors who sail other regattas in other classes, and there are many lesser-known classes in which you have to beat Olympians, America's Cup sailors and pros to win. Why are they supposedly easier to beat than Merlin sailors?
 
The earlier post was very complimentary about the Merlins at Salcombe; it said it was "veary good", "extremely hard to win" and "a hot event", but it's one hell of a long way from being a great class to being one of the toughest classes or events in the world, as the Merlins have occasionally claimed over the years.  And Andy Davis is doubtless an outstanding sailor, but that doesn't mean that a class that contains him is better than the many other classes containing outstanding sailors.
 
 
 
 
 


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I agree about not necessarily the toughest event in the world, it's just probably the toughest event in the Merlin world and a load of marketing hype, but several times I've watched top Merlin sailors racing in particularly rough conditions and handling their boats brilliantly so I can't help but respect them for their ability - the rest of us are just green with envy.
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Whilst there are many varying disciplines in the world of sailing, in the world of dinghy racing - and in particular dinghy racing in the UK, Salcombe Week for the Merlin Rockets is widely held to be one of the great challenges. In recent years I've been running a programme of interviews with many of our top dinghy racers, their views are an important insight into how the UK dinghy scene has developed.

Now it just so happens that the Merlin fleet has never been light on Olympic representation and there are 5 ring medallists that have seen their reputation take a bit of a knock in trying to progress through that infamous stretch of water known as 'the bag'. All of those I've interviewed seem to be of the same opinion; that Salcombe is harder to win than a Championships! The more interviews I ran and the deeper I dug, the more I found this interesting! Helms who can do a brilliant start, then the classic 'triangle-sausage-triangle-beat to the finish' in their sleep have found their skills wanting when it came to being able to build a winning score at Salcombe.

The Silver Tiller series, sailed at a variety of locations, across a whole season, is already a demanding series that brings the very best of helms to the front, Salcombe is just all that and then more so. Even world class helms, multiple world championships winners in other classes that I've interviewed have been known to make reference to Salcombe as an event that they wished they had had a crack at - though they too comment on how tough a nut this would be to crack.

Of course it is easy with the anonymity of the keyboard to sneer away at those who have won Salcombe and any other top events. Some of these are known to have tried the Merlin Rocket but found the heat of competition too much and defaulted back to where there are easier pickings, or else are medal winners in the 'fame may be fleeting but obscurity is forever' stakes. Of course the Merlin Rocket, like so many of the traditional classes, can be akin to Marmite, but it would be a mistake to underestimate just how tough it is just to make the top ten, let alone the top spot.

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No-one's sneering at people who've won the event. But some of us are highly suspicious of the claim that its any more challenging than dozens of other significant local events round the world, most of which we've no more heard of than sailors there have heard of Merlins or Salcombe week. Isn't suggesting it is rather parochial? Even sneering at many other sailors/events worldwide? Rather like those US sailors who say that Elvstrom can't be the greatest sailor of all time simply because he's never won the America's Cup?

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I'm coming to the conclusion that marketing causes more upset than the yardstick system. Or maybe I should sy that
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As none of the "Salcombe week is tougher than an SAS training course" "No it isn't, the Outer Mogolian Oppie race week is far harder" can be proved in any way, shape or form, why are people getting wound up by it?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 15 at 9:14am
The Argentine Oppy Nationals was pretty brutal.... you don't need to worry about which parent has the best RIB or drives the nicest T5 sport with lowered alloys.... the f*ckers show up in their submarine to make sure Pedro and Diego are going the right way up the beat.

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Salcombe week afaik is fairly easy to win if you're any good, you just stay sober, which is called cheating, the main aim of the week being to break last years bar record for one night which I believe stands at over eight grand.
Merlin is the alcoholics class of choice, always has been... Wink


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Originally posted by Woodbotherer

Salcombe week afaik is fairly easy to win if you're any good, you just stay sober, which is called cheating, the main aim of the week being to break last years bar record for one night which I believe stands at over eight grand.
Merlin is the alcoholics class of choice, always has been... Wink

One of my best Salcombe Merlin Week memories was when crewing in a knackered old boat, wooden decks lifting off and borrowed sails, for a well known Thames Rater sailor.  I think that we walked out of the Salcombe Hotel late bar somewhat the worse for wear straight to the boat, then sailed a windy beat rounding the first mark with a considerable lead ... Best Merlin Week result I ever had!
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