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    Posted: 12 Feb 15 at 8:58am
Originally posted by sargesail

Well it seems to me that Simon is experiencing what we did in the early days of the 300 and still do to a great degree today.  That is that the 'new' characteristics mean that you can exploit gain factors at the micro level (gusts, lulls etc) to get past other competitors in a way that was not available in our earlier fleets.  Both views expressed are correct - it's just that in the 'heavier' boats the gains available from separation when shifts act on the fleet are proportionately higher, and since the difference in speed is less, other the more likely 'passing' option.

Well let's hope the Aero follows one of the other traits of its predecessor- that being the 300 is remarkably 'accommodating' to a wide range of competitive weights, in a way that the Solo frankly wasn't imho.  

If the Aero were to become so sensitive to the helm weight, then I think that could cause competitive issues once the fleets settle down after a year or two.  It's fairly logical that if the base weigh (hull and rig) makes up proportionally less of the total mass on the water, then helm weight is going to become crucial if  and I repeat, 'if' total mass makes a notable difference to the competitive edge -  that's something that may not be so obvious at this stage of the class's infancy, and something only time and race results will come to validate- not so easy when there's a culture of rig switching to fog-out the early results.
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Gordon. I don't think anyone said righting lines were a bad idea  Just that for most people with the aero they are not needed. On some a 300 for example, they were essential. I certainly gave mine a fair use in the first months!!
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Originally posted by gordon1277

I dont see why people have an issue with righting lines on any boat.


Doesn't say much about ones sailing ability?

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Originally posted by Peter Barton


The boom is only high when the kicker is eased, in a drifter or on broad angles downwind. When the kicker is pulled on tight in any breeze it is only just high enough for a full sized adult to pass under comfortably. I wouldn't want it any lower


Don't get me wrong, I like the boat, everything about it.
But it just looks wrong. It doesn't manly enough with the boom floating around up wind a bit like a pico. For me, in my opinion, it would be designed so you grind it to the deck much like Finns and lasers.
But hey, I am one person and clearly have a different opinion on what makes a great boat (IMHO the finn is the best SH I have ever raced and it happens to be the polar opposite in design to the aero)
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Originally posted by Jamesd

Originally posted by gordon1277

I dont see why people have an issue with righting lines on any boat.


Doesn't say much about ones sailing ability?

I think that's a little harsh- the capsize recovery is an area where some people have reportedly struggled.  Even the official channels acknowledge it requires 'an adaption in technique' and there was certainly a flurry of youtube vids when the issues began to surface in the public domain.

If righting lines give a little confidence to those who need them, or those who are higher up the evolutionary scale from the long-armed, knuckle-draggers like you and I who admire the Finn so much, then fair enough... I wouldn't say it reflects sailing ability; after all, top sailing ability might be seen as those who don't capsize in the first place.  


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Hi James
As you sail a finn it is possible your experience of lightweight boats is limited to say the least.
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Originally posted by gordon1277

I dont see why people have an issue with righting lines on any boat. I have them on the Phantom because with a light boat I find the boat rights to about 45 degrees and then you need to grab the gunnel to pull it down flat.


Exactly. 

At first the righting lines help you get out of the water and get your weight onto the board.    Look at that Aero video and see how high the board is out of the water.   Getting onto that board would be a challenge for most.

Then, as gordon1277 says, when the boat is at 45deg you need to grab the gunnel otherwise you slide off the board and the boat will flop over again.  If you can't grab the gunnel, you need to grab a righting line.

I have them on the 300 and it makes capsize recovery much faster.   And the lines need to be beefy and not the cheese cutter variety. 

I know this has been asked before but is the Aero mast sealed?   I assume so because in that capsize video, the mast shows no sign of sinking.  I ask this not because of the possibility of the boat drifting down wind quicker than one can swim but that fact it is often easier to get a boat turtled boat upright as it is relatively easy to clamber on top of a completely inverted and stationary hull.   Then, as it starts to come upright to the horizontal mast position, you find yourself already stood on the board.   Also, when righting a boat from the turtled position,  you can chose  to right the boat with the rig downwind rather than the rig to windward and it flipping you back in as the wind catches under it.
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All valid points.
I'm jut saying, none of my mates including myself would ever let someone live it down if they turned up with righting lines or a mast head float.
I'm not having a jibe at Aeros by the way.
An I realise some boats they are almost essential. I have sailed a lot of boats where they are needed but always make do with spinnaker sheets or similar. Still wouldn't fit them though

Edited by Jamesd - 12 Feb 15 at 10:44am
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So I'm not alone in hearing them called 'jessie lines' then?  Not that I subscribe to that sort silly banter myself, no never....  
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Originally posted by gordon1277

Hi James
As you sail a finn it is possible your experience of lightweight boats is limited to say the least.


the term "lightweight" is pretty relative though. I have sailed lightweight boats. I sailed lasers for years. They are lightweight compared to a finn, a finn is lightweight compared to an XOD and an XOD is lightweight compared to a 40ft floating s**t box.
I even have sailed an Aero, a few times actually, all sometime before you had even heard of it.

I don't really see what my choice in boat has to do with my perception of boom height and righting lines. In fact Gordon, it seems like a rather shallow and quite frankly irrelevant come-back, very much like the "your mum" come-backs spewed out by teenagers
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