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Old Timer 
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 Topic: RS aeroPosted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:11pm |
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How can a light hull make the closeness of one design racing any closer? I fear you may be getting carried away. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:15pm |
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... it is an RS boat, allow the fanboys some artistic licence. At least they've climbed down on the planing upwind thing.
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:24pm |
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Lightness makes the boats far more responsive, the react very quickly. miss a puff or a shift and the guy next to you is gone and vice versa.
Its a little like comparing boats from the volvo now to those doing the whitebred 25 years ago. I sat on a rib and watched the V70's leave Portsmouth a few years ago they were all side by side with very little wind at all. As the bits of wind filled, the guys who made the calls slightly quicker got the acceleration and were away. By the time we were off cowes with the mid fleet boats the leaders were at hurst point. The gaps opened up that quickly. Try racing an aero and it really is like that. They react so quickly you can make big gains or losses boat on boat in very little time. Having sailed Lasers, the difference is very noticeable. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:29pm |
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Gosh- if that's really true that sounds utterly awful. At least in a Laser fleet you can have a bit of an opportunity to get yourself out of jail if you make a bad call.... y'know, tack straight back again and take your medicine of a couple of lost boat lengths at worst.... not find that the competitor has shot off in the distance, race over. Just imagine, the separation across that Aero fleet... I mean that must be pretty soul destroying for your average back of fleet muppet. I shall have to remind myself to keep recommending Lasers to newbies for the time being... I'd hate to think I'd recommended something which so easily spits them out the back.
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:40pm |
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Ah, but thats the beauty, get the next one right and your the one surging past. Obviously if all people want is a boring old procession, then there are plenty of lasers available
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iiitick
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:42pm |
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Thank you Peter for those amazing figures. Perhaps to some extent these two boats are realising Steve Cockerill's dream with the still born? Project X.
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turnturtle
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:44pm |
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... only assuming the competitor doesn't get it right Simon. Quid pro quo.... sailboat racing is like a driving test - s/he who makes the least mistakes wins. No prizes for calling it right after you've made the mistake that cost you big, it's only the off chance that your opponent makes a bigger mistake than your one and you can regain the gap. Once you've f**ked up, it is to some extent down to fate to recover.... that's what makes it such an interesting, life-long game to play.
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Washy71
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 4:47pm |
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I have to agree with Simon here. The *eros are more responsive than the Laser I came out of. It may be true that if you miss an advantage you get dropped but its equally true that playing it right gets you back in the game again. We're having some really close racing so far.
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turnturtle
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 5:04pm |
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I know everyone wants to blow smoke up the ass of these new classes by saying how close the racing is...... but there's a fundamental flaw in the concept Simon is highlighting.
Boats which punish mistakes and rewards good calls tend to create greater fleet separation between those who get it right more often than those who get it wrong. Classic extreme example is probably the International Moth - where separation is key. I don't for minute buy in to the 'slow boats are more tactical' argument, but I do acknowledge that the tactics vary depending of the boat speeds (and acceleration potential) of two distinctly different types of boats. Harsh as it sounds- if you want really, really close one-design racing, then really there still is no substitute for a club with a strong Laser fleet. Where I think the D_Aeros score big is that they seem to accommodate a broader weight range of sailors. One does it with multiple rigs, one does it with something I personally think is probably a little more tuneable and tweakable. This aspect is the selling point over the Laser, which let's be frank, can be quite narrow on weight range if you stick to just the standard rig.
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Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 5:16pm |
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I think you have to try it. My point is where you have groups of average club sailors who lets face it all make dozens of mistakes in a race morning, the race positions can change more easily. Put a very good sailor in one and yes they will be even further ahead, but a dozen average guys and the racing will be fun because it isn't such a procession.
The laser point is perfectly valid where there are still decent sized laser fleets, but solos, supernovas, streakers and blazes have eaten into those fleets a fair amount in recent years. In our case with (currently) 20 aero's here/coming, I can safely say that in the past 15 years thats more than the number of lasers have ever been at this club. We are not naive enough to think we will see all 20 out at one time, but knowing who have got them I expect 10-12 at least on the weekends whereas we might have seen 6 or 7 lasers out when they were still 'popular' 4/5 years ago.
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