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    Posted: 04 Feb 15 at 2:26pm
It's a tough choice 'social media' we have a guy working our club Facebook page pretty hard and he's now got it up to over 350 likes which is quite good these days without going out to buy them.

This forum if kept controversial is quite a good 'organ' you'd be surprised how many see stuff on here but don't comment, then links back to whatever it is you're promoting, it's a lot better than it was, but still has its quiet moments.

I'm not so sure about those new Facebook interest groups, I guess having a class Facebook page is not a bad thing provided you get lots of folk posting stuff on it. I tried to get an EPS page going but there aint enough of us and those there are still revert back to that yahoo group which is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard at spreading the love.

Truth is you have to zap at everything if you have a message you want to get out there, but the fundamental way to build a new brand as we are finding with our new kite brand Core, is go out there and demo, easier for kites than boats, but it's what gets your name about, that and local opinion leaders rocking them.

We can no longer rely on a proper structured market because of internet pressures, dinghies never had them in the first place, so it's demo demo demo and demo again and if you're lucky enough to have a few results which you won't have if you let the PYAG near your baby in its infancy, then they help.

Clubs need to advertise in the local rags, put notices in newsagents windows, school noticeboards local colleges and the like and have open days more than just once a year at push the boat out, also if you follow our example try cross over sports, and persuade them to try sailing but you'll be surprised just how many folk despite being able to swim, are simply terrified of being out of their depth and the thought of something that is eventually going to tip them into the water.... There was a survey once it's 7th on the list of people greatest fears.. Watersports you have to accept are not for everybody.

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Originally posted by boatshed

But does anyone use Google+  in the same way they use Facebook?   



Google employees do, former Google employees and Google contract staff use Ello
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maybe getting in touch with the greater sailing community could use something out of NHS waiting rooms, a tv connected up to a computer with advertisers and boat reviews and what ever else you care to have including event dates and reviews.  how many clubs have a tv already?  would this be viable?  you could have local and national advertisers.  of course it would require someone at the clubs to turn the tv on, which maybe the biggest hurdle!
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Connecting news feeds shouldn't be that difficult really but it seems to be. There is a lack of decent apps out there to post one post to all relevant social media. By that I am talking Facebook, twitter and possibly google+ ( though I've yet to meet anyone who uses it seriously). You don't want to be typing stuff out more than once. However even if there was you can't force people to read it.

I just wish it was easier, if I had the programming skills is write an app that does just that as the current ones always seem to be nursing something.

A Facebook presence seems to be essential but this really is only for news as it stands as there isn't a useful archive on it. You therefore need to embed your Facebook feed into your website. That way you can keep people interested in both maybe. The website will become the archive of useful info. You also then don't need a time limiting forum either to manage.
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tweetdeck will do all that.... but beware, as Jim alludes to, you need to really tailor each communication with the audience on each network- they do vary quite significantly.

Tweetdeck is fine for sharing out a link to an article on a class association blog, or promoting a video or blog / forum post entry of a class member.

Google+ is important to ensure you get your message into google rankings, and search engines are vital, especially with 'smart' URL bars in most browsers .... but there's a whole industry dedicated to SEO that frankly could fill up days of your time if you let them.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

Connecting news feeds shouldn't be that difficult really but it seems to be. There is a lack of decent apps out there to post one post to all relevant social media. By that I am talking Facebook, twitter and possibly google+ ( though I've yet to meet anyone who uses it seriously). You don't want to be typing stuff out more than once. However even if there was you can't force people to read it.

I just wish it was easier, if I had the programming skills is write an app that does just that as the current ones always seem to be nursing something.

A Facebook presence seems to be essential but this really is only for news as it stands as there isn't a useful archive on it. You therefore need to embed your Facebook feed into your website. That way you can keep people interested in both maybe. The website will become the archive of useful info. You also then don't need a time limiting forum either to manage.

Its not that difficult maxibuddah, you think people would go for an aggregation site (really that is all the website is after all, it bares little resemblance to what is in the magazine.



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People do boat on about seo, but I have read that Google really more these days on the turnover of content rather than how the side is optimised. How true that is, is another matter. Of course paying them seems to work.

As for tweetdeck, yes it used to be ok but since twitter bought it it hasn't kept pace.

You are of course correct John, but there are apps that do it now so why bother with a site. Just look at feedly, etc. However people still need to know that they exist. Also the websites need to format their output accordingly ( I know they're are plugins for cms sites) but this seems to be too difficult for many classes and clubs. You need to bear in mind that must of the time the website is run by a willing volunteer who isn't up to speed with the very latest technologies. You should have seen the hassle I had when I stepped down from doing our club site and Akashi finding someone to take over the phantom website.
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Originally posted by Chris 249

 

PS - on a completely different tack, it's interesting to see that the size of Sportsboat classes are coming down. One wonders whether those who have followed the shift from C 25 footers down to the new breed of 20' cabinless sportsboats may keep on moving down in size and up in convenience, and whether that could lead to a return to larger performance dinghies.

Sportsboats are fine in their way, but from other angles it looks pretty silly if a $50k 20 footer renowned for its speed finishes legs behind a $2.5k 20 footer or $5k 14 footer that has the same amount of cabin space and cruising ability. Maybe sportsboat sailors will start wondering why you'd drag lead in something you can't cruise or daysail in, and then they may shift down a size. It may not have a big impact in the UK, but if the media hype follows the advertisers it could be interesting.


To continue that different tack, I used to own, race and cruise a Hunter 707. A fairly basic 23ft sportsboat that as a class had a good corinthian spirit and regulary had 50 boats on the startline for club racing series let alone Cowes week, Nationals etc. Of the five crew I always had  the mix of 3 male and 2 female and I have to say it was the best combination of racing, socials and comraderie I have experienced in any class. I'm sure it was because the 707 was much more multi-purpose than the competition (Melges 24, Cork 1720). 10 years later with probably the leading class being the SB20 and the sports boat scene seems a shadow of it's former self. When a yacht becomes so specialised it is just a very expensive dinghy with keel, you do wonder whether you are indeed better in a dinghy.
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Wow,  a day out of the office at Calshot for a planning meeting for GJW Direct SailFest 2015,  and this thread explodes with lots of great posts.

We agreed today that Calshot will host the inaugural British Sailing Forum on the eve of SailFest,  a day of presentations and workshops with the theme - How to Save Sailing. 

Any suggestions for the workshops and facilitators to help them along?  Please post here.

SailFest will continue with its theme of lots of diverse features such as racing, demo sails, exhibits and socials




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I read that as "Sailing for rum" - if so count me in!
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