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    Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 2:28pm
How can you foresee what will happen in the future without an understanding of what has occurred in the past?

20 years ago, to reference another thread for a moment, the future being written for sailing was one of high speed assy machines, no harder to sail than an Enterprise, dominating the sailing landscape. That, despite the history of sailing showing that the HP boats have always been a minority interest. I'm sure there were articles around saying it was all a load of hype, but I don't recall them.

The 20 years thread shows that at the moment none of us have a really clear vision of what sailing will be like in the future. Even the prediction of an assy revolution would be welcome compared to the ideas put forwards on that thread.

Best bet for an article about the future would be all about rotomoulding and the boats being used for pay and play.
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Originally posted by Null

 A one stop shop.  Hell call it Dinghy Hub, a hub for all things dinghy.  

do you really think someone on a amateur campaign in a high performance boat is really going to be interested in reading about British Moths at Flea Corner Waterworks SC... or indeed vice versa.

The reason there is a limited single source for all things dinghy is that the category is too broad and is best served by more niche communication channels.

There are guys on twitter who re-tweet everything with the sailing hashtag.  Follow them if you want to catch it all.  You could also set up a bloglovin' account and follow newsfeeds from the CAs and news sources that interest you.... a lot of class associations essentially run blog based websites now as blogware is a very easy to deploy CMS.

Or run some RSS feeds from the class association ... direct to your inbox.

Loads of options, a web 1.0 site is not really needed anymore.
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Originally posted by Null

Originally posted by Rupert



Null, what should the new tech version of a website like this be doing that this one can't? As usual, I'm about 5 years behind on technology - if I'm on the curve at all. I missed gaming totally...

For me Rupert, the basics are here but its quite old in terms of web formatting.  When was the last time we saw a change in how the site operates?  You could argue that it works, so why change it.  However we don't seem to attract new people.  In fact all the front page does is post PR by class associations and the odd article.  The archive it.  There are many other websites to look at and drawn inspiration from.  I like the Bikeradar format (cycling is my other sport) in terms of the news, reviews etc.  The forum is but the same as we have here just with more bell ends.  However even this is split out into sub forums better.

We talked about recently how there was a lack of a magazine nowadays and Graeme mentioned how it was not possible when we consider advertising revenues.  But I'm not sure a printed magazine is needed nowadays.  A hub for all things dinghy sailing, is whats needed.  Somewhere writers like dougal can publish articles, industry experts can pull reviews together.  Manufacturers can sell their latest products.  Events can be advertised properly.  Easy gateways for people to find out more about sailing, a clubs page where clubs can create biographies.  Hell if i had the time and the 'Web design' savy i would create it myself.

A one stop shop.  Hell call it Dinghy Hub, a hub for all things dinghy.  


Sounds good to me. Shame our National body doesn't think that way, but then these things are often better done somewhere where criticism is possible...
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Null

 A one stop shop.  Hell call it Dinghy Hub, a hub for all things dinghy.  

do you really think someone on a amateur campaign in a high performance boat is really going to be interested in reading about British Moths at Flea Corner Waterworks SC... or indeed vice versa.

The reason there is a limited single source for all things dinghy is that the category is too broad and is best served by more niche communication channels.

There are guys on twitter who re-tweet everything with the sailing hashtag.  Follow them if you want to catch it all.  You could also set up a bloglovin' account and follow newsfeeds from the CAs and news sources that interest you.... a lot of class associations essentially run blog based websites now as blogware is a very easy to deploy CMS.

Or run some RSS feeds from the class association ... direct to your inbox.

Loads of options, a web 1.0 site is not really needed anymore.

I disagree mate, take Bikeradar as a case in point that serves the whole cycling community, Roadies, Cyclocross, MTB (XC, Enduro, DH, etc. etc.)  commuters.  

So why cant sailing.  Not only that bt with modern website tech landing pages can be tailored to suit audiences.  I am also interestd in reading about new trapeze harness technology, but i don't sail a trap boat.  I am also interested in sail cut developments but i sail a SMOD.  I think you would be surprisedwhat people are interested in
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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by Null

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Null, what should the new tech version of a website like this be doing that this one can't? As usual, I'm about 5 years behind on technology - if I'm on the curve at all. I missed gaming totally...

For me Rupert, the basics are here but its quite old in terms of web formatting.  When was the last time we saw a change in how the site operates?  You could argue that it works, so why change it.  However we don't seem to attract new people.  In fact all the front page does is post PR by class associations and the odd article.  The archive it.  There are many other websites to look at and drawn inspiration from.  I like the Bikeradar format (cycling is my other sport) in terms of the news, reviews etc.  The forum is but the same as we have here just with more bell ends.  However even this is split out into sub forums better.

We talked about recently how there was a lack of a magazine nowadays and Graeme mentioned how it was not possible when we consider advertising revenues.  But I'm not sure a printed magazine is needed nowadays.  A hub for all things dinghy sailing, is whats needed.  Somewhere writers like dougal can publish articles, industry experts can pull reviews together.  Manufacturers can sell their latest products.  Events can be advertised properly.  Easy gateways for people to find out more about sailing, a clubs page where clubs can create biographies.  Hell if i had the time and the 'Web design' savy i would create it myself.

A one stop shop.  Hell call it Dinghy Hub, a hub for all things dinghy.  


Sounds good to me. Shame our National body doesn't think that way, but then these things are often better done somewhere where criticism is possible...

Exactly!  The RYA are the RYA and should be kept out of consumer led websites.  Criticism of other gouverning bodies in other sports is the nature of the beast.  Besides get the RYA involved and i would be bored sh*tless by all the squad and Olympic talk!
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Originally posted by Null

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Null

 A one stop shop.  Hell call it Dinghy Hub, a hub for all things dinghy.  

do you really think someone on a amateur campaign in a high performance boat is really going to be interested in reading about British Moths at Flea Corner Waterworks SC... or indeed vice versa.

The reason there is a limited single source for all things dinghy is that the category is too broad and is best served by more niche communication channels.

There are guys on twitter who re-tweet everything with the sailing hashtag.  Follow them if you want to catch it all.  You could also set up a bloglovin' account and follow newsfeeds from the CAs and news sources that interest you.... a lot of class associations essentially run blog based websites now as blogware is a very easy to deploy CMS.

Or run some RSS feeds from the class association ... direct to your inbox.

Loads of options, a web 1.0 site is not really needed anymore.

I disagree mate, take Bikeradar as a case in point that serves the whole cycling community, Roadies, Cyclocross, MTB (XC, Enduro, DH, etc. etc.)  commuters.  

So why cant sailing.  Not only that bt with modern website tech landing pages can be tailored to suit audiences.  I am also interestd in reading about new trapeze harness technology, but i don't sail a trap boat.  I am also interested in sail cut developments but i sail a SMOD.  I think you would be surprisedwhat people are interested in

nothing surprises me about what people find interesting on the internet Russ.... just a  quick look at the click-bait seemingly intelligent people seem to share or like on FB is an eye opener.  

As for a sailing site, seriously... would you pony up the investment for it?  If not, you, who would?  I can't see many online sports publishers like MPORA getting too involved frankly.  


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I loved reading about the Moth worlds, the techy bits, the stories, but sail on a puddle in the middle of nowhere. I can see, though, that the Moth sailors might not be so interested in a 12 boat open meeting at our club.

This is why open meeting write ups are a bit odd - some would say mine especially. Who do they cater for? If you were there, you know what happened. If you weren't, why would you care? They do act as a way of keeping a class visible - when thinking about a class, the Y&Y page will show me that it an active class if there are lots of postings, but there must be more interesting things for classes to write about than who beat whom to the windward mark in race 3. In fact, very often the previews are more interesting.
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Thats the problems James, i don't think there is enough money in the industry to do it properly.  Would I do it, yeah if i had the money and know-how.  I think it could be a relative success.  The trouble is you would be reliant on word of mouth and google.  To spread the word!  So again chicken and egg!
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Originally posted by Rupert

I loved reading about the Moth worlds, the techy bits, the stories, but sail on a puddle in the middle of nowhere. I can see, though, that the Moth sailors might not be so interested in a 12 boat open meeting at our club.

This is why open meeting write ups are a bit odd - some would say mine especially. Who do they cater for? If you were there, you know what happened. If you weren't, why would you care? They do act as a way of keeping a class visible - when thinking about a class, the Y&Y page will show me that it an active class if there are lots of postings, but there must be more interesting things for classes to write about than who beat whom to the windward mark in race 3. In fact, very often the previews are more interesting.

As far as I am concerned it is about class or club promotion. I try to avoid to much detail (I can never remember it anyway) so I just give a hazy view. I am interested in other classes though because names of people I have known crop up. It is also interesting watching the progress of the stars.
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 I think it could be a relative success.  The trouble is you would be reliant on word of mouth and google.  To spread the word!  So again chicken and egg!
No not at all, my plan included a few flyers and stickers at the dinghy show, then the rest by cross pollination with the other sports, then forum bashing in other sectors, it didn't take too long to establish imbike and iksurf mags it wouldn't take long to do the same for ipsboat.

Just get your salesman's hat on and find me 5k advertising and I'll deliver to you what you're looking for in similar format to those two.

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