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    Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 11:59am
In fact, if you look at the RS200, over the past ten years its averaged over 230 participants. Making it the most popular nationals of any adult dinghy over that period. Who says double handers are declining?

I guess my point is you can't look at individual classes. 
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Agree about U16s and crewing. I learned to sail in a doublehander. My chiildren sail 2 singlehanders most of the time, and only crew once in a while. They enjoy both, but the singlehanders mean less organization is needed.


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Originally posted by Null

Originally posted by Dougaldog

From the sailing media viewpoint, the GP14s are, by a long chalk, the most media aware (and that means helpful) of any class that I've had the pleasure of dealing with. Interestingly, the Fireballs, which are getting a good press over in another thread on here, are also a good class when it comes to responding to media enquiries, as are the Miracles. But back to the GP14s; they have 'got it' and clearly understand the value of being accessible to the media. Compare this with some other classes that either take an age to reply to a request, or simply don't bother at all.

Media awareness might only be a small factor, but it is in there all the same. Well done to those classes that get it right!

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Interesting point,  from a media perspective we (D-Zero) class have had no correspondence via the class association.  We would Welcome it.  We are a new class and try and embrace new ways of thinking whilst still encompassing an 'Old Fashion' class association style ethos.  Trying to develop a media strategy for a new class nowadays is very difficult as  outside of Facebook and the reports pages on here how do a class go about promoting themselves.  So i guess, who are the sailing 'media' I/We have some great ideas around things we can do to create something different at our championships and if they come off would give us some USP's.  

I always find the 505 world championships utilise technology and develop their own unique media coverage which is far and beyond any other class



Trouble is you have old farts writing about their old fart mates sailing old fart boats. They are not interested in your modern sailing dinghy. Why would they bother contacting the D-0 class?


The youngest journo must be Andy Rice and he must be at least 50 ....
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Once you've done some sort of boat test on a new class, what is there left to write? You can interview the designer and the builder, but there is no history, you can't look at the boat and how it has changed, because it hasn't - it is only a few months old. You can look back and see what has influenced the design, but that is then just looking at the Old Fart boats from a different perspective. Interesting - well, I think so, but maybe it only appeals to the old fart mates?
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Far from focusing on the old farts, be it the boat or the sailors who race them, looking back at what I've written, I seem to have given the new boats a pretty good share of the copy. As Rupert rightly says, if you're going to say something that is hopefully both intelligent and interesting enough to make it worthwhile reading, you have to have something to write about, which in a new class can be difficult. For the Radical Thought article, I went to Dan Holman, who designed the D-Zero (sorry Null, went to Dan because, well, he was the man who could give the best insight into the 'how, what and why' behind the design - but I will be coming back to you next time around) - Dan was great as he was prepared to 'tell all' and that makes the life of the writer all the easier.

I often get emails suggesting that I write about this class or that class, but I'm afraid to say that this sort of writing leads to some fairly turgid text. So, an article about Fireballs - yawn. But, an article on how the upcoming Fireball worlds is seeing a resurgence in the class, that is resulting in more boats populating the club scene, yep, you've got a topic worth exploring there...I could see that one working.

Oops, sorry, just realised that this is an old fart boat, being sailed by old farts and written about by an old fart! Old Timer will be braying away again like an ass very soon!

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I would love to agree with you about the common sense approach- but in reality allergens and food intolerance are rising at an alarming rate and carry with it some quite substantial risk.  Poor Tarquin's f**ked if he launches and sails out to sea whilst his mum's ashore with the EpiPen in her handbag.... 


Poor Tarquins mum should probably have read the entry and checked the medical declaration and ensures that he either had an epi-pen with him in his boat of that there was an Epi pen in one of the safety boats/committee boats with all members of the race/safety team aware of who it was for.

This is all part of event organisation, even weekly club racing.
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Dougal, that is absolutely the right thing to do with a new class.  But your point as about the class associations being good with media, was it not?  Writing an article after approaching a designer is something different.  I was asking a question really as it would be good for us as an embryonic class to understand what the media want.  Sure there would be a good article i guess in a couple of years time if the Zero class is successful and brings in large championships.  perhaps how we did it.  But this is all very chicken and egg as with out 'Media' and the publicity it brings its difficult to grow.  So really the question still remains, what form so of media should a class use?  Not only the class but the supplier's.  How do we publicise, or send out messages?  it works very much for you as well.  The new Merlin book you have written, I knew nothign about it, despite being fairly active at reading up on classes etc.  I would LOVE to buy or read a copy.  But how do you as an author, supplier, class association reach the dinghy community?

Lets look at it another way, the facebook page James and I set up is probably the most active form of media within the UK dinghy world.  With around 8,000 active members.  Its  real hotspot for advice (something it was not designed for) but more importantly buying and selling.  Facebook group aside, how do classes utilise the media to reach the audience.  We have no magazine nowadays, this website is great, but its old tech now and does not reach the club audience effectively for suppliers (not having a dig Mark et all) For me this is all thats wrong with sailing.  There are no proper media platforms that engage with people in order to spread the good word.  
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Oddly, it was the old farts (who weren't quite so old then, but their boats were still pretty ancient) who set up one of the first web based dinghy sailing organizations back in 1999. The cvrda has had its ups and downs, but between the forum and the site itself, you can find out pretty much anything about old boats.

I'm quite surprised that there aren't similar self help groups for different aspects of the sport, but classes generally stick to themselves and don't interact.

As with Y&Y, the cvrda forum is probably no longer a bang up to date way of communicating - we can use more than 140 characters for a start. The cvrda facebook page has a slightly different set of people and a slightly different feel, and the 2 seem to sit alongside each other fairly well.

Null, what should the new tech version of a website like this be doing that this one can't? As usual, I'm about 5 years behind on technology - if I'm on the curve at all. I missed gaming totally...
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Originally posted by Dougaldog

Far from focusing on the old farts, be it the boat or the sailors who race them, looking back at what I've written, I seem to have given the new boats a pretty good share of the copy. As Rupert rightly says, if you're going to say something that is hopefully both intelligent and interesting enough to make it worthwhile reading, you have to have something to write about, which in a new class can be difficult. For the Radical Thought article, I went to Dan Holman, who designed the D-Zero (sorry Null, went to Dan because, well, he was the man who could give the best insight into the 'how, what and why' behind the design - but I will be coming back to you next time around) - Dan was great as he was prepared to 'tell all' and that makes the life of the writer all the easier.

I often get emails suggesting that I write about this class or that class, but I'm afraid to say that this sort of writing leads to some fairly turgid text. So, an article about Fireballs - yawn. But, an article on how the upcoming Fireball worlds is seeing a resurgence in the class, that is resulting in more boats populating the club scene, yep, you've got a topic worth exploring there...I could see that one working.

Oops, sorry, just realised that this is an old fart boat, being sailed by old farts and written about by an old fart! Old Timer will be braying away again like an ass very soon!

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Look - I'm an old fart; but at least I know it.

Your response illustrates my point perfectly; if your articles just seek to re-pot what has already happened then that will be a yawn; what the sailing media needs is a journalist that can take a view of the future and write about it. The past is nostalgia; the future is where it is at ... many old farts struggle to get that.

With boats like the Zero & Aero you could think we may be at a turning point and an insightful vision of where that may take us would be a great read.

When you look for a new title; you revert to the Fireball ... what about writing something about some of the more futuristic classes?



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Originally posted by Rupert



Null, what should the new tech version of a website like this be doing that this one can't? As usual, I'm about 5 years behind on technology - if I'm on the curve at all. I missed gaming totally...

For me Rupert, the basics are here but its quite old in terms of web formatting.  When was the last time we saw a change in how the site operates?  You could argue that it works, so why change it.  However we don't seem to attract new people.  In fact all the front page does is post PR by class associations and the odd article.  The archive it.  There are many other websites to look at and drawn inspiration from.  I like the Bikeradar format (cycling is my other sport) in terms of the news, reviews etc.  The forum is but the same as we have here just with more bell ends.  However even this is split out into sub forums better.

We talked about recently how there was a lack of a magazine nowadays and Graeme mentioned how it was not possible when we consider advertising revenues.  But I'm not sure a printed magazine is needed nowadays.  A hub for all things dinghy sailing, is whats needed.  Somewhere writers like dougal can publish articles, industry experts can pull reviews together.  Manufacturers can sell their latest products.  Events can be advertised properly.  Easy gateways for people to find out more about sailing, a clubs page where clubs can create biographies.  Hell if i had the time and the 'Web design' savy i would create it myself.

A one stop shop.  Hell call it Dinghy Hub, a hub for all things dinghy.  
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