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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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At 16ft long and a light narrow hull I was surprised to read that the RYA PY is as slow as 975. I presume all those chines must really slow it down when not planing.
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BarnsieB14768 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 126 |
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Further to your post and the lack of knowledge of Skiffs and Moths. It would seem that you need some enlightenment. By the very nature of the boats, the crews when sailing them, unless light airs, tend to finish well ahead of the rest of the fast handicap (800s as opposed to 1000), and tend to be high powered machines with very little protection from the elements. Crews can spend around 1 hr. awaiting the rest of the fleet and restart in wind chill where they cannot sit down as they need to balance the boat in 16+ knots. So what happens is the sailors are heavily exposed to the elements and suffer greatly compared to Merlins and Fireballs etc ( I know as I have sailed many classes in 42 years and skiffs are the hardest in chill factor conditions). So with a couple of harsh winters, these sailors think twice prior to attending events where there is a possibility where they may have to hang around for twice the length of time as others, and then have greater wind chill post race start. You will stomach this for so long, but where you have a combination or chance of combination of these factors, most will step aside after a few events as they feel they cannot give their best as they cannot feel their feet or hands if that extreme. So after a few of these condition type events you decide where and when to step up and compete. B14s, RS800s, 49ers, MPSs, Moths and 29erS have all dropped off with a few harsh winters and resulted in some events dropping off by 25%.
That is probably the main reason high powered skiffs/moths etc have dropped off in the last few years May be at the Grafham Grand Prix, but in a Merlin rather than B14 with the weather forecast :) |
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BarnsieB14768 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 126 |
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On another note, The Fireball has become predominant now that certain classes are missing and it is an ideal boat for 16+ knot conditions. Baz time to look more closely at the Sailjuice results
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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So what you're kind of saying is boats designed for Aussie climates aren't great at the sh*t end of the UK season? Sounds fair enough, well done to anyone braving those temps for big events!!! |
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My heart bleeds!
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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It's all very well but it doesn't explain the Bloody Mary, fast boats sail for less time, have the best launching etc. But numbers have been dropping for years. Same with the Steve nick? And Grafham Grand Prix, those fleets have their own asymmetric starts. So no waiting around for the solo's to cross the line. Let's not forget we have also been bloody lucky with the weather until very recently this winter.
I would say the weather is an issue, but hardly a reason for mass decline. Look at the moths, they are practically PY'd out of these events now, so couple with the cold water why would they turn up.
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Strangler ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 154 |
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4 videos here. More to come. Sorry about the music on the first one!
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BarnsieB14768 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 126 |
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Bloody Mary, many have been put off by the fact that when the Asymmetric kite is up, due to the shape and area, you are sailing fairly blind. I haven't, but know of a few who have had some very close calls and possible incidents, hence why some have given it a miss. That is when the rot sets in, and people drift away (class by class). However, you have also seen a resurgence in the Merlin and Fireball over the last few years and that may have saying in the matter as well. Stevie Nicks, I personally enjoy that one, but the course for a high performance dinghy is very small and again you have to have your whits about you. Moths, yes, how do you handicap them as they are yearn year going faster as the weights go up (improvement in foils and sails) and so horse power improves (going up for 70s to mid 80 kg according to Team New Zealand guys in Melbourne). The advantage of pond type boats like the Laser, Merlin, Fireball and N12, is you can sail them well and have a lot of fun on restricted waters. A 49er at the SN is an adrenaline rush for some of the wrong reasons. Have the right course on the right water in favourable conditions for the right boats and you get a great turnout of high performance dinghies.
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If really enjoyed most of the Sailjuice series over the last few seasons, but i have hardly bothered this year at all.
There;s a few reasons, one forecast conditions have been either dogs of chains or light and horrible, the second is all this washing boats down for shrimps and mussels (I can;t be bothered for a single day). The courses have a huge impact too, but so does how the other boats treat you. Its bloody hard piloting a Musto or similar down a leg with the kite up, you try to see where you are going, but its never helps that people don't give you warning they are there until too late. The bloody mary is an awesome event - but was never going to be a lot of fun trying to sail in a single handed kite boat as you'd have hardly used the kite on the "reaches" Steve Nic was spoilt by combining the fleets - i don't want to sail trapeze courses when people don't give any consideration for teh course changes you need to make with a kite up. Tiger in a breeze is also challenging to get around due to the Saturday trapezoid. I have to say that I think Sten did pretty well overall in his Musto though. I'm not saying that they are not good event, they are just not suited to all boats, so people will stay away. As for Fireballs and Merlin's, Mleh, fine it you want a boat that is full of string, but i like the fact that the boats i choose to sail are pretty simple and you just get on with sailing it. Both seem to represent well in the winter series, but watch how many jump out of the fireball into a 505 or something as soon as the breeze drops! |
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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B14, MPS & I14 have all just had worlds in AUS ... perhaps they have done enough sailing for the moment and their boats are still in containers on a ship ...
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