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    Posted: 29 Jan 15 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by Washy71

I was looking at lawnmowers the other day,...

 Please, no

Gardening is simply out-door house-keeping. An evil to be minimised or avoided at all costs.

Surely, the only reason to look at lawn-mowers is to find away to minimise such a waste of time


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Originally posted by Washy71

I was looking at lawnmowers the other day,...
 Please, no
Gardening is simply out-door house-keeping. An evil to be minimised or avoided at all costs.
Surely, the only reason to look at lawn-mowers is to find away to minimise such a waste of time


Unless of course they are racing lawnmowers
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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What PY do you give your lawnmower?  And anyway, smug comment coming up....

.... I take delivery of my (new to me) ride on lawn mower next week.  I'm very impressed by the amount of depreciation the incumbent owner has suffered for my benefit.  I guess this is what buying a second hand International 14 feels like.  

 Not that I plan to use it too much myself, there's a guy who will do it in the village for £7 an hour.
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Hell I'd do it for £7 per hour the way my turnovers not happening this month.

Even have my own sit on and 'Run Forest' T shirt.
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well, I just ordered £22 worth of soft goods and a stomp pad from the shop.... better than a kick in the teeth I guess. 
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Originally posted by Bootscooter


I suspect that the future will evolve in to greater focus on racing skills (with a move back to fewer, but stronger classes), and away from the "speed-at-all-cost" classes. I can see a time coming when the kids who've grown up racing in rugby-scrums of Toppers, L4.7s, LRadials, and team-racing in Fireflys realise that tearing around at warp-factor-snot in skiffs and cats with little interaction between boats gets a bit boring after a while. A bit like jet-skis.

Another good point that I very much agree with, and something that was mentioned in another thread.
Newer boats for a while, fad boat or asyms seem to have been designed with going fast/blasting in mind. 

Which as pointed out is slightly ironic, as they tend to be a bit of a dog when slogging back up wind and the proportion of time you are beating increases in comparison to the amount of time having fun down wind. Or something like that. Gets into windsurfing territory. You see them on the Marine Lake at West Kirby. They reach down the lake then jump out and walk their board back up wind. Bit more difficult with a sailing boat

For me speed is actually irrelevant if you are all in the same class (or compensated by PY), but then I can to dinghy sailing from offshore (over 2-3 days if not more) racing so maybe my mind set is slightly different.

For me racing is about working the boat hard to get your nose in front, tense tacking battles up the last beat, picking the shifts, engineering a passing opportunity (our lake is quite small and it can get a little follow the leader at times). Admittedly speed is fun and a bit of a thrill but close racing is even better.

The other thing is, the higher the performance of the boat (the more speed) the more costly a mistake is

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Originally posted by turnturtle

well, I just ordered £22 worth of soft goods and a stomp pad from the shop.... better than a kick in the teeth I guess. 

Does that mean I've got to come up there and mow the lawn whilst your out at work (will your Mrs be in  Wink)?
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The marine lake at West Kirby is home to a very specific discipline of windsurfing - speed sailing.  You 'could' get a speed board back upwind if you really wanted to, but frankly what's the point?

Get good enough on even recreational windsurf kit, and you'll rip any dinghy apart for pure speed and adrenaline charged blasting.  I can pretty much sail faster than any other dinghy on my windsurfering kit in the right conditions- F4-5+, but that doesn't mean I could beat one around a course on the same kit- they are just not designed for racing in that manner.  A proper course racing board could- but they're 3.8m long and far too technical for most windyplankers these days.  

I agree totally with what you are saying, higher performance boats are tedious to learn to sail, and unless you've got one with enough power to weight ratio to get it planing on white sails upwind, then frankly they become even more irksome once the novelty value wears off.

Just look at the RS100 - 40+ boats at events when they were first launched, now they're lucky to make double figures, even with a consolidation in the rig sizes.  

The Aero is clearly a better all-round product for average dinghy racing and I can fully understand why several ex-100 owners traded in for them.  
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Originally posted by Woodbotherer

Originally posted by turnturtle

well, I just ordered £22 worth of soft goods and a stomp pad from the shop.... better than a kick in the teeth I guess. 

Does that mean I've got to come up there and mow the lawn whilst your out at work (will your Mrs be in  Wink)?

nope- she's usually at work or out riding, but the mother-in-law could well be....  LOL
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I agree with what Booterscooter says about the future of clubs being with the clubs themselves. We try very hard to survive.

On a windsurfing note.....A very old friend of mine's brother was the guy drowned in Lancashire last weekend. Very sad.
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