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    Posted: 29 Jan 15 at 3:49pm
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I hated my push mower, but love my boats - one feels like hard work, the other like play. Our next door neighbours view gardening like I view sailing, so are very happy pushing a hand mower.

As a former second row forward I enjoy pushing things :-)



I was stupid enough to play hooker, so was more used to being pushed by 2nd rows - straight into the opposition front row, and then face down into the mud.
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

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I hated my push mower, but love my boats - one feels like hard work, the other like play. Our next door neighbours view gardening like I view sailing, so are very happy pushing a hand mower.

As a former second row forward I enjoy pushing things :-)



I was stupid enough to play hooker, so was more used to being pushed by 2nd rows - straight into the opposition front row, and then face down into the mud.

I'm sure you felt better for it LOL
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Originally posted by timeintheboat

The cycling equivalent of the sailing Open Meeting is the "Sportives" which of varying quality are now mushrooming with a good choice most warmer weekends. 
The big difference though is that an Open Meeting is clearly a competition and although the Sportive is, it feels less like it and more of a personal challenge. 
 
The neareset sailing has to the sportive is the continuingly popular family weeks (Abersoch was mentioned but theer are plenty more) and these I think will in general still be with us in 20yrs as they work on a number of levels.  
 
I do see a reduction in the number of open meetings, as some clubs will tighten their belts - not for all classes - but the smaller classes may have to combine even more than currently.
 
This is the most interesting thread on here for a while.
Sportives aren't competitive, at least, not according to the law. Any competition is only in the participants heads (although there is certainly a personal achievement of completing the distance or a certain time).  It's certainly a personal challenge, but if you compare it to sanctioned cycling events (time trials, road racing) there is a big difference.

Sportives are a middle ground between just going out for a ride (cruising) and a true competition (racing) where beginners may feel out of their depth. It allows the participants to practice a lot of the aspects of a proper races, without it being taken seriously as a competition.  This provides a very attractive 'in' to the sport for which sailing has not go an equivalent (club racing, dinghy weeks etc are still competitive races, unlike sportives which are not). 

At HISC i started a sportive racing a couple of years ago. No results, going through the motions of all the aspects you'd need to race with awards for participation. Unfortunately we didn't really push it enough to get it off the ground. However, been very successfully redone as the get racing club and has been a huge success last year. It mixes a lot of the qualities of cycle sportives and hopefully will continue to be successful. I think this is the future for increasing grass roots participation. 

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/179466/HISC-Get-Racing-Club


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Sportive racing sounds a little like the novice racing with a bit of coaching on the side that I try and run for juniors and their parents. Looking at it from the angle mozzy has, it would be quite easy to expand it a little and see what happens.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Sportive racing sounds a little like the novice racing with a bit of coaching on the side that I try and run for juniors and their parents. Looking at it from the angle mozzy has, it would be quite easy to expand it a little and see what happens.

I find it a little depressing that we need a half way to club racing. What does it say about us as people that others should find club racing intimidating? Club racing is beer racing round the cans, I find it hard to believe it becomes important to people, they'll be having protests next!
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Originally posted by Rupert

Sportive racing sounds a little like the novice racing with a bit of coaching on the side that I try and run for juniors and their parents. Looking at it from the angle mozzy has, it would be quite easy to expand it a little and see what happens.

sounds more like what PY racing should be, and ought to be to deliver a truly great middle ground.  

The problem with PY racing is everyone takes it far too seriously, for something that from the outside, ought not create such a drama.
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I have a lot of grass but that is field. For our little ornamental lawn a pushalong mower is fine. Had to buy it on the internet though. 

I can find nothing intimidating about our club racing because all our members are so nice and I find it quite easy to teach basic rules to beginners. The future of our kind of sailing is racing though sometimes a new member will turn up and proclaim to only be interested in pleasure sailing. They never last however as there is nowhere to cruise to and even our lovely view gets boring after a while.

I see no reason why our little club will change that much over the next twenty years. It is much the same now as it was twenty years ago except that Supernova has replaced GP and we have electricity.

I do wish we had some juniors though who could be 20 years older in 20 years.
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Jack Sparra's video today is one reason I'm hopeful.

Not because it's of a foiling Cherub but because the excitement in the voices especially the lady's of doing something for the first time.

All these first times carry the same buzz, from a child making a Topper to where they want through  countless others, three sail reach from the wire, hooking into a windsurfer, ...................... to the foiling Cherub. 
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

Originally posted by Rupert

Sportive racing sounds a little like the novice racing with a bit of coaching on the side that I try and run for juniors and their parents. Looking at it from the angle mozzy has, it would be quite easy to expand it a little and see what happens.

I find it a little depressing that we need a half way to club racing. What does it say about us as people that others should find club racing intimidating? Club racing is beer racing round the cans, I find it hard to believe it becomes important to people, they'll be having protests next!
Unfortunately no matter how nice you are, people will always view racing as racing, and this will put some people off as they will fear getting the way or making mistakes. It's dawnting enough joining a new club meeting new people, doing an activity you're not yet comfortable with, and then on top of this being forced into a situation where you might disrupt the highlight of these very kind and friendly people's weekend. In fact, the nicer the people are, the more awkward some would feel about getting in your way! 

However, if an event is specifically targeted at beginners and improvers, then new participants instantly feel less awkward about joining in. It immediately breaks down a lot of barriers, and is one reason why inclusive cycle sportives are so popular. 

You don't see many sports where once you've learnt the basics you're chucked straight in to compete against the best the club has to offer? And yet it's the the pretty much go to approach for sailing. 

There's enough barriers to our sport in terms of equipment cost and it's technical nature, without throwing people straight in a deep end. 
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Sportif is maybe the way some classes open meetings should be run - it might attract people to a less intense way of doing things. The Lightning Open circuit is generally pretty relaxed, for instance, but it still has the same format of 3 races, 2 to count, prizes at the end. With everyone sailing a similar product (there is more difference between a Tera and a 29er, say, than between 2 road bikes, even if one cost 10 x what the other did) it would be easier to get the right atmosphere.

Opportunity for a rotomould class to do something? Topper sponsored Sportif for the Argo, maybe? A good option for Pay and Play, maybe?


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