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    Posted: 28 Jan 15 at 7:10pm
The problem is that as you guys & girls spend hours discussing what you are going to be sailing, the real question remains, Where are you going to be sailing..? Club memberships continue to fall, the numbers of active competitors / members continue to fall, clubs are buoyed up by the long term members (who probably sail a solo now) these people sit on the committees, maintain the club, mow the grass & in twenty years they wont exist as we'll all be working until 70 to pay off the mortgages on properties that aren't worth the price we paid for them...
The really interesting part comes from water authorities that will kill clubs off for 2 reasons. 1. In an increasing commercial world, rents will increase at the same time membership revenues reduce causing a shortfall. 2. In corporate responsibility world its good for these commercial water authorities to have a 40-50 boats splashing around, it shows the government that they are engaging with the public and providing a facility however when these numbers drop below a critical point, for example 10-20 it all becomes difficult to justify. In short we're all doomed....
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CHris 249,

"I wonder how much smaller the sailing world would have been if it wasn't for Jack Holt, Haylock and Beecher Moore".

Great - someone recognising the part this trio (and you could well have added in Dusty Miller, foreman at Bell Woodworking to the list) played in the expansion of the dinghy racing scene. For the Holt centenary in 2012 and then more recently for the Merlin Rocket book, I have enjoyed unrivalled access to the Holt family and their own material. What is key to the story was the unpleasant treatment meted out to Jack by the International 14 class and some of our premier clubs in the pre-war years. Jack was denied access to the clubs because he was considered an artisan (though the same distinction was NOT applied to Uffa Fox). Jack Holt believed that the sport of dinghy sailing/racing was far too important to be left in the hands of the elite who made up the numbers back then. So, if you look at Jack's philosophy, it was all about the democratisation of sailing, "boats for the masses" if you want the short version. Interestingly, a lifestyle survey held in the late 1950s identified that boat ownership was the number 1 aspirational wish for people as the years of early post war austerity slipped into history.

There is an identifiable sub-plot to all this that suggests that over the last 30 years, top down policy making in the UK has all be about the creation of a sailing elite - more on that in Part III of the series of linked articles. Let us not forget that Ian Proctor played his part too, will the 'powers that be' even bother to recognise his achievements in a couple of years time, when it is IP's turn to enjoy centenary celebrations.
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im not so sure housing is a driving factor, there are lots more rental properties in Europe but my colleagues in France and Germany don t appear to be taking more holidays (apart from the mass of public ones) or sailing more, in fact I'd say UK dinghy sailing is still deeper and had higher participation than elsewhere in Europe?

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Life isn't all that bad for these poor impoverished kids that have to buy houses a 5.5 times salary. People were asking regularly for that amount of mortgage back in the 90's. And there's help now...

http://www.helptobuy.org.uk

No one bailed me out. Even though Nigel Lawson & Normal Lamount f**ked the economy for us.

So I'm currently sitting with a mortgage that will be paid off when I'm 75!

And what am I doing with regard to sailing? I've invested quite a bit of time and money in bringing a great little boat over that 'the kids' should all be sailing in 20 years time ;-). Coz it's hands down the funnest thing everrrrr...
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Compared to Karting Sailing is a cheap sport....

Although I have travelled more since getting the D-Zero than I ever did in my Laser (and planning to travel more already, subject ot getting a pass from my good lady wife).
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"So if you want to do 2 major  internationals per year + all the major UK based ones... cha-ching!"

That is at the extreme fringe of dinghy sailing - most peoples' ambitions are far more modest.

Compared to motorcycle racing which I used to do, I consider dinghy sailing a cheap sport.
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For most of us back in my youth we were never good enough to get selected to go major international events overseas.....  
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Originally posted by bustinben

So if you want to do 2 major  internationals per year + all the major UK based ones...

For most of us back in my youth we might have dreamed of doing two major overseas international events in our lives, never mind a year...

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Originally posted by bustinben

 There aren't many 25-35 year olds who can afford 4-6 holidays per year  Smile

i knew plenty who went snowboarding 4 times a year, kitesurfing twice a year etc  - but then the equipment is seriously much cheaper, lower maintenance and the craic worth the hassle of staying in rented.  I bought my first flat at 22 in North London on a 105% mortgage....  we all take our choices.

It was often those able to take unpaid leave, or in the armed forces or teachers who seem to get quite a bit of time off compared to the commercial world of 20 days including an obligatory 4 for christmas. And a request for a sabbatical or unpaid leave was basically queue jumping to statutory redundancy during the recessions of the last 10 years. 


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Originally posted by turnturtle

No one is obliged to buy a house- if we followed a more European model then rental is more normal, as is asset appreciation on property only in line with inflation.  Outside of hot spots anyway.  

Easier said than done though- my own circumstances mean I'm not investing in the boat I really want just yet because we've taken out another mortgage.  That said, I think the depreciation on the boat is the least of the costs if you plan to campaign one on a circuit and regularly take your holidays for championships.

Quite right, every major event is basically an expensive holiday.  So if you want to do 2 major  internationals per year + all the major UK based ones... cha-ching!

There aren't many 25-35 year olds who can afford 4-6 holidays per year  Smile
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