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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Both kids love sailing, neither in squads. One loves racing, the other mucking around. That one has just talked me into booking her on the Stage 1 and 2 windsurf course at South Cerney Outdoor, as she did some windsurfing before and really enjoyed it. Again, I don't think windsurf squads will feature, but I hope a life long love of being on the water will follow, whether it be in dinghies or on windyplanks or even surfing, which she wants to try one day.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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In 20 years time we will be well along the path of the current declining participation trend, which will have eliminated many of the smaller clubs still hanging on today, as well as niche classes. The squeeze on leisure time (to compete with the dominant global economies of India and China) will have all but eliminated wood-bothering* and mega-clubs will define the boats sailed, not sailors, at least in a wider number of cases than today, thus eliminating the SCRAP** and leaving us enjoying 40+ boat starts, 60+ opens and 100+ championships, first-past-the-post wins, automated results using RFID and GPS/Galileo and teleport-based rescue services, for when I capsize my solid-wing-sail foiler for the 97th time and need to be brought in for a comfort break, as it will have reached my 25 mins bladder capacity time. *besides, everyone in the south of England will have sold their garages, for £100k+, to homeless jobless northerners coming south for work and subsidised by the government who couldn't build HS2/3/4 quick enough ![]() *Small Craft Results Acquisition Platform, the successor to PY, coming in 2025 Edited by getafix - 28 Jan 15 at 3:25pm |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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No one is obliged to buy a house- if we followed a more European model then rental is more normal, as is asset appreciation on property only in line with inflation. Outside of hot spots anyway.
Easier said than done though- my own circumstances mean I'm not investing in the boat I really want just yet because we've taken out another mortgage. That said, I think the depreciation on the boat is the least of the costs if you plan to campaign one on a circuit and regularly take your holidays for championships.
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bustinben ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Oct 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 288 |
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I think we'd need to see the participation stats from 89 to see whether it didn't have an affect then either! You're right, it is down to priorities. But you have to remember, over the last 20-30 years financial decisions were pretty simple. You buy a house, it increases in value, you effectively have savings and a growing asset. Awesome. The future is bright. In 1980, property prices were about 3.3 times earnings. Now they're 5.5. The baby boomers are retiring extremely well off on the back of that trend. For the current generation that party is well and truly over. Every penny they end up with be one those that they have earned and saved (in general). I'm not saying this is the only thing in the picture, but I look at what it costs me to compete at a decent level and I don't understand how it would be possible for most people do it. Maybe the knowledge that their retirement would be paid for by their house would make people more willing to spend the money required.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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My daughter went racing once, she thought it was pointless. Once I saw the results after PY did its thing, I kind of agreed with her.
Wise words for a 3 year old.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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My kids are the same and while I like being with them and having fun I'm also a little sad they're not interested in the racing aspect at all. But then.... in my opinion, this is all too common across a whole range of sports and hobbies. School sport since the "New Labour" interventions of the 90's has become PC-obsessed, non-competitive and frankly, boring for most of the kids I know (or whose parents like me despair of it). Some of those who went through this system are now the PE teachers of today, continuing this non-competitive nonsense to your kids, and mine. In 20 years, the British press will be looking bad teary-eyed at Sir Ben and the 'Golden Generation'* who won all those medals in 2012 and wondering why we're at the back again... we need to go back in time, to capture the spirit of past triumphs....
... oh hang on, we tried that. Perhaps not. Besides our Navy is a bit naff nowadays.... best stick to Finn sailing ![]() *a term previously used by the Sun to describe a group of serial losers who, as well as being fabulously overpaid, have also proved a very unwelcome diversion to getting out on the water in recent summers by losing, badly, at Football, to practically everyone of any note whatsoever |
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chris_wht ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 50 |
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You can? Right, im on the next flight...
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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whilst there are some 20-40 year olds who might relish big courses and travelling to large events and everything at club level is simply too sh*t, I wonder how many of them are 'pre-kids'..... the one thing I missed about my Solo in 2014 was the Wednesday night racing from the previous year. I never did very well at it being 100kg in a boat optimised for 70-odd; there was never much wind to give this a dog a day and when there was a decent breeze I'd usually take my windsurfing kit. But that routine of pottering around a pond to clear your head and get some time to yourself.... turns out it's not so bad after all. Enough to miss it anyway.
As Jack says (excellent post BTW)- it's about priorities, compromises and decisions. It's only the naive who would think that circumstances don't vary year on year- especially with the backdrop of a young, growing family who take the lion share of our love and attention. And when things change around, we need to be prepared to change what we do and how we do it.... see Craiggo's comment in the what boat thread. It makes total sense to look at something a bit different to an RS700 if you are only sailing it a handful of times a year.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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My daughter is showing absolutely no interest in racing at the moment. She just loves to get out in her own boat with some of her sailing friends in their boats (oppie gaggle) and sail around and mess around on the water. Maybe that will change, maybe it will not. One thing for sure is that I do not have the time or resources to get her to the squads so it is unlikely she will take that route unless something changes in the coming years.
We have a fair few kids who are like that too. She does race in a Mirror but she does that for fun not for the competition and to learn more about sailing.
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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Good point, I am one of the very few 'missing generation' of club sailors. I am 33, my helm 28. Every kid these days seem to get swallowed up by the regional squads, everyone and anyone between the ages of 4 and 18 seem to be on one of some type, Welsh, GB etc etc....... First think as the poster above says, it shows them how good sailing can be at the elite end raising their expectations to a point where plodding around on a small lake in a spread sheet race just doesn't seem to be a useful use of there time and possibly very un kool (with added k factor to show that even at 33 I am down with the kids) But this raises something interesting, the RYA system removes the 'kids' from the nurture and community of the clubs. Does this in someway effect their affiliation with a particular club, or even club sailing as a whole??
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