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dohertpk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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Hey all,
Back in the 600 after a 6 week break. Any feedback on technique, settings etc. would be very much appreciated. My tacks still need a lot of work... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyFnTqv-ggk&feature=youtu.be Thanks!
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slightlyobsessed ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 12 Location: BBSC/SUSC Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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Having a brief look (revision procrastination):
1) Try and get out on the racks, with straight legs as soon as possible - it was definitely windy enough - especially upwind, this'll help you to 'feel' the boat a bit more, and gain control a little bit more easily than if you are standing on the gunwhales, with bent knees and stepping in/out a lot. 2) Once you're out, use the tiller to help control the power (this was like the biggest epiphany I had in the 600 once someone suggested it).... using small movements, every time you get a gust, head up ever so slightly, and the opposite for a lull. Tis will prevent huge armfuls of mainsheet coming in/out, and will gernally improve the stability as a result. 3) sail a little higher on the downwind, so the boat feels stable (it'll also be faster, planes fairly early on) A little kicker on woul probably help stop the boat swinging around as much, as it closes the leech up helping to stop the rotation that partly caused that death roll!) 4) Search 'RS600' on facebook - we have a group who are more than happy to dish out advice! Hope this helps a bit :) |
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dohertpk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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Thanks so much for that - that's properly helpful. I've been using the main almost exclusively to control power, reserving tiller movements for emergency escapes. Looking at other vids, no one else seems to be wrestling the sheet as much. I'll give that a go next time I'm out.
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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You are getting there.
Try to keep the boat flatter. If you watch the leeward wing, if its hitting the water then it really slows you down and also makes tacking hard as the boat will slow down too much as you move in to the boat. You seem to be spending a lot of time on a tight reach as opposed to sailing upwind. It is far easier to get in a groove if you sail upwind. Sheet in pretty much block to block, and use a combination of small eases in the gusts and a small luff on the rudder to keep the boat flat. As the gust passes immediately sheet on and foot off a little. Once you know that you have enough breeze to be out on the wire upwind all the time, then dont stop in the boat when you tack. Keeping the boat flat get straight across to the far wing, swap hands, hook on, and push out. As you push out pull the ft of mainsheet back in that you will have eased to tack. If you move across the boat too quickly you'll find yourself sitting on the wing in a bit of water but if you have maintained enough boatspeed as you push out onto the wire and sheet on then you'll get lifted out. If you are too slow crossing the boat you're only choice is to ease mainsheet. I'd recommend two further things, set your trapeze wires lower! A great piece of advice I was given when I first had one, was if there is enough breeze to be trapezing upwind all the time, then set the height so that when sitting at the back of the wing you can hook on or unhook, without having to jump up. This makes hooking on coming out of tacks easier, and also ensures that as you start the tack that the hook disengages. The second bit of advice is that the 600 boom is at a marginal height for really being able to run under it during tacks and as you have found its easy to end up collecting the boom on the way across so I'd suggest starting the tack by swinging in to a sitting position on the rack. As your backside hits the rack, unhook and use the momentum to fire your upper body across. Its then one step with a twist to end up sitting on the far rack, sort hands out, hook on and push out. I tended to fall back on this approach as it got windier and lumpier. Once you get really comfortable with your boat handling then build up the ability to walk across from lighter winds up. Some will disagree with this and say learn to stay on your feet from day one, but I think there plenty of things that have a bigger impact on boat handling and enjoyment. You do seem to send a lot of time looking at the rig while not appreciating what the boat is doing underneath you, so I'd recommend perhaps doing the opposite. Get yourself settled and then focus on the hull and what it is doing. Use rudder and mainsheet to keep it flat but dont get too concerned by rig setup. After a while you will appreciate how the boat feels just through your feet, freeing up time to then concentrate on the rig. I reckon you need more rig tension as well! In a couple of sections of the vid, both shrouds are slack. While some claim this is a fast setting, it doesn't give you a very 'locked in' feel which you need while you are learning the ropes. Well done for sticking at it. |
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dohertpk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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Thanks a million for that craiggo. Lots of really useful points there. I've been wiring very high as I feel less prone to windward dips that way. As you point out though, I find it next to impossible to clip on from sitting on the racks. I'm definitely going to start trying with the trap lower. Rig tension is totally alien to me. I was more than a little alarmed when I saw the shrouds flapping about on watching the footage. Does more tension make the boat more forgiving? Thanks again - very much appreciate you taking the time:)
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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With the rig tension slack the boat can rock around under the rig. Some claim it's fast but it certainly doesn't make it easy to get your bearings on the boat. Much better to have it all solid while learning. To stop going in to windward, when you feel it happening sheet on harder and pull the tiller over, if it still comes over, bend your knees and move inboard. As I say learn to feel what the hull is doing and adjust the rig to keep the hull flat.
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dohertpk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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Ah ok. Quick question - what should I secure the end of the cunningham to? I've been it to a metal fitting below the boom, towards the bottom of the boat.
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dohertpk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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slightlyobsessed ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 12 Location: BBSC/SUSC Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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I loop mine from the block, through the metal eye in the sail, and tie it off on the metal 'arms' of the boom, where it attaches to the mast.
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fleaberto ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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I would so love to have one of these. Tried one (briefly) once and immediately thought: "This will take some time but it's going to be a blast when I crack it!!" .....and to my untrained eye you look as though you're very close to having it licked!
Getting across the boat at just the right time looks to be one key part...but what do I know? Keep at it and it will all just suddenly fall into place. Looking pretty good. Now, I wonder if Mrs Fleaberto would release 'the boiler fund'???? ![]() |
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