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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Was the omission of handicaps in the results a deliberately considered policy, I wonder?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Handicaps aren't really very meaningful in pursuit results. They only have a limited relationship to start times because the granularity is greater, and I'm sure the start times are published somewhere.
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AlexM ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 857 |
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It all can be found in the NOR?
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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OK, but having handicaps, or indeed start times or elapsed times, in the results would give a better idea idea of how boats fared against each other on the water.
I'd be interested to see, for example, how quickly the Aero 5 got round the course compared to the Radials and the D-Zero. Positions only tell half the story.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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There is a start number, which I assume is the number of minutes after the slowest boat (Topper on 0?). I think the Radial started at 21, the 5 at 28 and the 0 at 36? Doesn't seem very fair for the 5 in anything but a gale.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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How would you know? You don't know how far apart the boats finish in a pursuit. You might guess that 35, 36, 37 all finished within a narrow spread of time, but you could be wrong. And then at the BM IIRC they use multiple finish lines at marks, which makes it even more confusing, so 35 might have finished after 36, but having sailed an extra leg, but was 2 seconds or maybe 30 seconds ahead of 36 and round the next mark... |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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I estimate, very crudely, that the lead radial was best part of 4 or 5 mins ahead wrt a fixed point. Lead aero 5 maybe a similar amount behind the zero, poss a bit less.
Had 17 mins to make on the radials! Tasty handicap on great lakes! |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Sorry 15 mins behind radials
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AlexM ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 857 |
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If the tracker is to believed the Aero never made up any ground on the radials (the tracked boats (Martin/Cockrill & Barton).
http://traclive.dk/events/event_20130725_QueenMaryS/index.php?raceid=2095cac0-7adc-0132-fe74-10bf48d758ce |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Sounds plausible to me. Cockerill is a masters world champ in radials and has won nats in 300/Blaze etc so in the same boat as the Aero sailor I would expect him to take out a minute or two over a race like that if in equal boats, and whilst the GL PY difference is pretty big - 1145 vs 1065, I dare say the speed difference is half that, and the Aero 5 will end up much closer to the (IMO very soft) radial number at say 1100 |
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