Rule 17 situation

Originally posted by rb_stretch Originally posted by Brass It doesn't take much extension and analogy to get from two parties making an agreement in the same material terms with ONE third party, to two parties each making an agreement in the same terms with TWO different parties with the same result of an agreed position as between the parties. Did look up Satanita and just had another look, but obviously not looking deep enough to find any criticism of it (I'm not a lawyer so maybe my search terms are not appropriate). However I think the paragraph I quote above is unsafe, since RRS may be overruled by NoR, SIs etc and the parties not sharing the same third party would not know the amendments so would have to resort to IRPCS. Unless I've got that wrong as well! Interestingly my search did throw up that IRPCS is used instead of RRS Part 2 at night which I didn't know, but is obvious when you think about it.

Rule 63.8 Protests Between Boats in Different Races

A protest between boats sailing in different races conducted by different organizing authorities shall be heard by a protest committee acceptable to those authorities.

There is no need to 'resort to IRPCAS' in this situation.

Originally posted by rb_stretch However I think the paragraph I quote above is unsafe, since RRS may be overruled by NoR, SIs etc and the parties not sharing the same third party would not know the amendments so would have to resort to IRPCS. Unless I've got that wrong as well!

Originally posted by GML Originally posted by rb_stretch However I think the paragraph I quote above is unsafe, since RRS may be overruled by NoR, SIs etc and the parties not sharing the same third party would not know the amendments so would have to resort to IRPCS. Unless I've got that wrong as well! The "When Boats Meet" rules in the RRS (the Part 2 rules) cannot normally be changed by the NoR or SIs for an event - see RRS 86.1 (and 86.2 for the exceptional circumstances in which they may).

But that is exactly what I have seen with the night time rules ie. specific over-ruling of Part 2 in favour of IRPCS.

No, honestly that is different. You cannot change the Part 2 rules, even though you can change some other parts of RRS in SIs so they will always be the same, but you can opt out of using them completely.

If you were to say Oh well, we'll use colregs for port starboard and overtaking, but RRS for mark roundings, yes that could be a confusing nightmare, which is why it ain't allowed: it must be all RRS or all colregs. Similarly it would be a nightmare if two races in the same area were using RRS with part 2 rules amended differently, and that's why that's not allowed either.

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