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    Posted: 23 Dec 14 at 10:05am
Just to settle the development v restricted class debate, Merlin Rockets are officially a development class. The first line of the Class Rules (approved by RYA) states that

'The Merlin Rocket is a development class where design and ingenuity is rewarded within the spirit of the rules.'



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I reckon that the near one design nature of the Merlin Class at present is pivotal to its success. "True" development and success in participation terms are fairly exclusive these days. I also think that Winders would still be at the top of the pile if this weren't the case, but, the commensurate reduction in volume would add significantly to the cost of their offerings - a catch 22 situation.
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Originally posted by getafix

Good posts, I agree regards the clinker in Merlins but not the statement that it is not a development class, yes the Cant Tales derivatives dominate hull shapes but you can hardly say that sail or rig development has been 'stale'. I would guess that the amount of cash needed to get a new hull shape designed and made is what's putting punters off, rather than an inability to do it due to the class rules, just like Paradigms and DCB's are getting sold in bigger numbers in 12's, the question to punter with ~£10k or more has to ask is do I want to bet this money or buy something 'safe'? something with an uncertain lead-time or something with a reasonably defined lead-time?


I think it would be more accurate to say that existing N12 Paradigms and DCBs are being recycled through the 2nd hand market.

N12 Class association own stats which can be viewed at http://www.national12.org/boats/index.php would indicate that there is little new boat building activity in the fleet. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) Rondar no longer market the Paradigm and the stats suggest no new ones have been launched since 2012? Those same stats would also indicate that new DCBs are not exactly flying off the shelf!

As a former dyed in the wool N12 sailor I used to be generally critical of the Merlin Rocket approach to design, development and the overall management of their class for the future (ie don't p*ss off your existing customer base).

My view is somewhat different now.
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I think with merlins etc you can have a go at discrete bits of development in a low risk manner - the odd sail or centreboard, say. It has to be accepted that if the rules themselves have been steady for a few decades, that design will have achieved a situation of relative stasis through convergence towards an optimum - light airs/windy; heavy/light and sea /river specialisms aside.

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The latest development in the Merlin fleet have been hatchet boards aft carbon bouyancy tanks and thinner rigs. And all tried and tested on the stable latest wonder platform...!

There is more that can be done with the rig, Jib halyard locks, rotating, canting etc are all possible within the rules.

The low aspect hatchet boards by John turner look very good and Jon Gorringe has been very fast all year with one.

That said so has Olly Turner been very quick while using a conventional board and a ten year old boat. So it's hard to know what is really fast in the pimping of the fleet at the moment.

Dave Winder is using a pump hoist kite to good effect, probably the quickest hoister in the fleet.

As well as hull development for the top end of the fleet I feel there is a neglected sector for the larger crews. Most people want to sail the boat with a friend or a partner and they are struggling to get under the 24stone design weight of the Tales Winder latest design.

Possibly a great market to design an aesthetically more modern looking boat with more weight carrying ability....???

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I stand corrected on Development vs. Restricted, but what the Merlins have acheived is that they have not trashed a whole generation of boats, whenever they have changed their rules.

Refinements to rigs and foils do not tend to trash the hulls.

They must also have the highest proportion of "young" boats competing in their Championships and Salcombe Week, so although there may not be loads of boats being built, the ones that are built get sailed, often.

I guess Taxi's boat is getting on now, and that is one of the boats to beat.  Dan Alsop also has some great moments, and his boat must be almost as old as it's helm!
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Taxi's boat is without doubt getting on a bit but is bang up to date with rig development, pump action kite etc. Having said that as he just won his 3rd silver tiller I would think any boat Taxi is in would be a boat to beat ! Not that it will be me, not for the want of trying.
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It is also worthy of note that Keyzer Soze, Taxi's boat, is a rare breed, in that it has won all of the 'top 4' Merlin events (both Championships, Silver Tiller, Salcombe). The number of boats that have this claim to fame is very small, as is the number of helms who have managed it.
The last chapter of the MR book goes into this in detail, for it is the era of the 4 helms who together have driven the standards at the front of the fleet to such heights.
Winning is never easy, in the MR fleet it is though harder than most!

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Thing is with Merlins, there is a great wealth of talent to go racing against.
The way they run their class keeps those people there and attracts more.
It is a lucky blend of competitive racing and boat development and it's accessible to a good range of people. Which other classes have so many examples of two generations of families racing seriously?
Lots of jealous outsiders happy to tell them they're doing it wrong of course.

I really can't see enough people with the budget to write off the value of a hull every two years to make a decent sized vibrant class just in the UK.

There have been a lot of 'modern' trends the Merlins have avoided over the past 60 years, e.g. Trapezes, asymmetrics, t foils, self draining etc.

Pure Development is all very well in theory, but it does't get the boats on the start line, or we'd all be racing A or B class cats.
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Looking forward the reading the new book Dougal, sounds like you have covered all angles.
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