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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Am I alone in feeling a little uneasy when people start firing off comments using the 5 letter C word, without their being in possession of all the salient facts. It is neither big nor clever. So, what are the 'facts' in this case? Simply that the RYA examined the boat in fine detail and pronounced it legal - and accordingly issued a Certificate. So, if the boat is fully legal, then Cheating, by clear definition, has not taken place. There is though a big BUT: will finish that comment below.
As for 'cheating your way to a second division title' - the boat in question won the Merlin Rocket River Championships against all comers - which included some of the best river sailors to be found gripping a tiller. None of the main Merlin Rocket events are a pushover and to suggest that the River Championship, raced against your peers, is somehow 'second division' is a laughable notion. However...I did finish an earlier sentence with a BUT. The boat in question is a superb piece of top class workmanship that would grace any Concours event. It is quite simply a beautiful boat. Now for the BUT; It also drives a loophole through the rules the size of a super tanker. As far as I know, exploiting loopholes and opportunities within the rules is not cheating - unless you want to say that Nigel Waller and Jo Richards were cheats with Punkarella; ditto Malcolm Goodwin with the Hornet Revolution, Steve Daniels with his double World Championship winning (but rule stretching) Contender 'Walkabout'. Go back to the article itself and the bows of Nitro, the David Thomas designed Merlin. Did it exploit a loophole that David Thomas had found in the rules? You bet it did! Was it cheating? No - and I do not think that anyone who knew David would ever want to accuse him of being a cheat. The difficulty we face now is that, maybe unwittingly, the door is open to more overt exploitation of the Rules - not only in the MR class but in others. The Law of Unintended Consequences now comes into play and you can be sure that where one boat went, others will surely follow. Is that being innovative and maybe even radical in your thinking, or are you just a cheat? Personally, I fear for the future once the rules are seen to be nothing more than a plaything, that are there to be manipulated for individual gain. I would rather see better rule observance but it is surely the nature of development that clever people will find loopholes, leaving the Authorities to play catch up. D |
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Sorry, was on a phone so kept it brief. Yes, cheating is a strong word, and not technically correct, but faster to type and not too far from the mark. The craftsmanship, sailing ability and good humour of all involved may be top notch, but splitting an old boat up and making several from it just to qualify for a vintage prize lacks moral decency IMHO, but I assume that is a hypothetical case.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The boat in question is without doubt a Merlin Rocket, and on a river raced against all Merlins, not just old ones, is in its element. For that, I think the boat is great. As a classic boat? Even if it qualifies (which is up to the Merlins or organizers of other classic events - all the RYA have said is that the boat measures and can still use the old number, as far as I'm aware) it would see like a pretty damn hollow victory to beat boats which are 60 years old with a brand new one, especially if you are a top helm. Where is the challenge?
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Following this thread with interest.
Merlins are a restricted class and not a development class, something that has protected it from the excesses of the National 12's. Whilst the post CT boats are undoubtedly fast, the performance band between 50 or so years of Merlin Development is much tighter than 12's or 14's. This is particularly evident at Restricted water venues. Whilst Dave Winder is the dominant builder in the class, this has much to do with the fact that he manufactures a fantastically well engineered product. The reason why he is dominant in Solos, Fireballs and Mirrors may have a lot to do with his knowledge learned in Merlins of what shapes are fast. Whilst clinker may appear archaic, it does mean that boats can be built without the need to produce a plug, male mould or female mould. There are well documented reports of clinker boats being built to Keith Callaghan's Hazardous design in the States at the moment, something that old probably not happen with smooth skin. Four Runner was built in the seventies, as a four plank Merlin and to my eye did not have the beauty of its contempary planked boats. Those who suggest Merlins are a one design are obviously unaware of Jon Turner's developments, Keith Callaghan's designs, of which several have been built or are in build, or Superfast Jellyfish. They may also be unaware that the Winder CT is onto its fifth variant. I have sailed N12's, Merlins, I14s and now Salcombe Yawls for 40 years, counting around 15 in total, I am fascinated by these often bespoke boats, the endless discussions and experimentation. The refinement has led to thoroughbreds that are a joy to sail. These classes have spawned some of this country's best thinking sailors and the designers of almost every successful one design in the world. However what I have learnt is that some people just don't get it ... Each to their own I say
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Davidyacht - if you go to my article that fired up this thread, you'll find pictures of the jellyfish, Dark Star, Shebazzle and One Love - and the Miles James one off somewhere up in North Wales!
A class that has reached 70 years old, has two Championships a year, a season long competition raced all around the country AND a week in Salcombe for 120 boats (oh - and a strong classic wing)can hardly be classed as a failure. I was with Alan Warren the other day - now there is a man who knows his way around a race course (what with a Silver Medal to his name for starters) - he's just ordered another Merlin, his 34th! No wonder these people are so good, they keep at it for years! as I said to Chris 249, maybe there is something is that degree of stability! D |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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> keep at it for years
At the Canoe worlds this year the fleet included at least one medal winner from every worlds since 1978, and all but one gold medallist since 1984... |
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Tom, I thought we were friends. Not any more. Clinker = beauty. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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With the greatest of respect for posters and the Merlins, is it really possible to find objective evidence that some classes create more "thinking sailors"? I just flicked through the names of champions in one regatta during my brief serious time in Lasers, for example; the top sailor (the 2000 bronze medallist) was away but he has a PhD in the science of hiking so he's got to be called a thinker. In his absence, the standards were won by a guy who earned a degree in sports science and is now a coach to Olympians. Another name on the list is a sailmaker who won the last Hobart, which was skippered by yet another placegetter at the same regatta. A fourth went on to do an Olympics in the reasonably technical 49er. Oh, and one has claimed an Olympic medal, ISAF's Sailor of the Year title, done very well in the highly technical Moths and A Class cats, and was said to be the one who effectively taught his crewmates to foil Oracle upwind and therefore win the AC. I'd say he's got some thinking skills. I'm not sure that such credentials (and more) out of a list of 18 names is a bad scorecard of 'thinking sailors'. My brother has a patent in boat design. he fought out Laser titles with a member of a famed boatbuilding family who is a Team NZ AC veteran, an AC engineer, and a pair of two-time world champs in the technical Moth class. Again, that's a pretty good scorecard in terms of "thinking sailors". While this is not a rigourous measure for many reasons, it may indicate that the reason that some people "don't get it" is because the claim that any particular class breeds more thinking sailors than other classes is an extremely subjective one, and the case is far from proven. On the issue of long-term class racers, I know many people who have been sailing the same SMODs since they were in their late teens or early 20s, and in some cases that was 40 years ago. But what does sticking to one class prove? It could be that people stick to a class because it's an everlasting source of fascination. It could also be that people stick to a class because they are too stuck-in-the-mud to go out and have a proper exposure to the power of a big cat, the rush of a skiff, the adventure of an ocean race, the very different challenge of SMOD racing, or any of the other wonderful facets of this sport. Others may stick to (or change to) a simpler class because they have an extremely interesting and fascinating life outside of sailing; one example could be Mark Bethwaite, Julian's elder brother, who created one of the family's most significant designs, did Olympics in FDs and won the Soling and J/24 worlds at the height of those classes and then went SMODding, perhaps because life as a significant national player in business and politics gave him enough intellectual challenge. Edited by Chris 249 - 22 Dec 14 at 12:16am |
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And it was multiple Laser Masters Champion Mark Bethwaite who came up with what is arguably the most influential single boat of the last 50 odd years, the medium Dribbly NS14. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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SNAP; you added that while I was editing my previous post to make the same point.
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