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    Posted: 11 Dec 14 at 8:37am
I'm sure such things happen with a fair amount of regularity in club racing - we have a rule which says that if there is a difference betwen what is on the board and what is on the start hut, the start hut is correct. However, in reality it is usually the start hut that is wrong, with transposed ports and starboards for the mark boards (well, you are looking at them backwards!). At the point where we all reach a mark and half go one way and half the other (sometimes it isn't totally obvious which way it ought to be on an odd shaped lake), it is certainly the RO who gets the flack, not other competitors, and I'd find it very unfair if it was the competitors who suffered for the RO's mistake. I make it sound like it happens a lot - it doesn't really! We just have a very confused conversation and try and get it right the next lap.
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An ironic post-script to my story is that the guy responsible for amending the course between NOR and SI's lost the lead of his class when he forgot, passed the wrong side of the buoy in question and had to go back, hoist by his own petard!
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Originally posted by Brass

How aggreived would you be if you protested a boat, she was found to have broken rule 28 and still placed ahead of you?

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Not at all if the correct course was ambiguous and indeed immaterial to the elapsed time, and the boat had clearly sailed better than me. 

In fact, I'd be embarrassed to beat a faster boat on a technicality.

Then surely you would not have protested?  I did try to make that point in my post.

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Originally posted by Brass

I have difficulty scoring a boat that broke a rule with a better score than a boat that did not break a rule.

Isn't it vaguely analogous to case 45?
...because of a race committee error, but none of the boats racing gains or loses as a result, an appropriate and fair form of redress is to score all the boats in the order they crossed the finishing line.
It's highly analogous in principle, and thank you for pointing to Case 45 which I couldn't find the other night.

HOWEVER, that's all very well for a request for redress, as a result of which no boat may be penalised.

Different story is a boat that initiates action as a protest against another boat for breaking rule 28.

In that case the protest committee must hear the protest and decide whether or not any party broke a rule and if so, disqualify the boat unless some other penalty applies (rule 64.1).

Then, if the protest committee thinks that the conditions of rule 62.1 apply to a boat that has been disqualified, then they should give redress.

It's reasonable to assume that a boat that protests another boat wants them disqualified:  that's why you protest.


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True, Brass, I probably wouldn't have protested, but someone else might, leading to the same result.

In the case of the course setter, though, I'd certainly have reminded him of the course... just after he'd passed the buoy!
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