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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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It's either NO wind, or when it is windy, it's thermal and gusty as Cow with IBS. Plus a tonne of wind sheer due to the thermal breeze bouncing off the hills and over the buildings. It's fine if you want to get a sun tan and to bust your knees hiking or kneeling in the bottom of a Laser. But it's a totally rubbish place if you want to trapeze helm.
It is a horrific place to learn to sail a Musto Skiff. I know I've done it there. I went in May. With my son. I would also be wary of going if you want to learn / improve your twin trap skills. Especially as a single and not as a pair. I got paired with a total incompetent who could only just about have passed his RYA 1 but wanted to twin trap. Needless to say the week with him at the front end was a disaster. Halfway through the week he bugged out back to Lasers and the whole focus of my week was knackered. I got the occasional session with one of the beach staff up the front. But eventually opted for sailing with my son in a 29er. The 29er needed loads of maintenance as did the 29erXX they had ( which they had no idea how to sail, I had to explain that the crew takes the main etc...). I'd never go back, + its expensive.
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Think you were very unlucky there, Jack S.
We went almost every year in the 90's, mostly mid-September and once early October. October was a bit cooler and on some days a bit wild, but as others have said, except on typically one day per week when we had Tramontana, winds were usually F3 with the occasional light day thrown in. Often , of course it would change over the course of the day. I started off wearing shorts and T, but after getting caught out and frozen one deceptively sunny Sept day when it was 12 deg., I always wore at least a shorty. But then I am a chilly mortal. The great thing was that with such a variety of boats, you could take one to suit the conditions. The Laser 4.7 has its place! As for learning to s'handed trapeze, every hol. I found it possible to get out enough on the Contender that they had then. By no means every day, but again, I am a wimp. |
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dohertpk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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Thanks all for that feedback. I've booked myself a week at the start of May. I decided not to opt for the Musto training in the end as I found a package at a fraction of the price. If the conditions are as described, I'll be happy enough to play around with a Musto on my own (sail a 600 so I've got a fair bit of single handed trapping experience). If anyone is interested, I got a great deal, available here:
http://www.minorcasailing.co.uk/offers#item-686 If anyone is thinking of heading out at the same time and fancies heading out on a 800, do let me know. Dying to have a sail of one!
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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good to know- stricken from my bucket list.
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Wrongly, then.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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No, if I went on a watersports package holiday, I would want to sail dinghies and go windsurfing. From Jack's feedback, coupled with the prevailing wind conditions cited in other posts, I can see that there's probably better options out there for me to combine the sports I love in one location.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Wouldn't be my first choice for windsurfing, thats true.
However, as a dinghy sailing holiday with first class coaching and fun racing, with a chance to go blatting about in boats like the 800 with an instructor later in the day, it was great. We were there for 2 weeks, and 10 of those days had decent (capsizing) breeze. However, with the weather, everyone is 1 going to want something different and 2, get something different. Hopefully the 2 things match... |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Well, the first time we went we were totally sailed-out after one week and my hands were knackered for weeks to come. In following years we went for two weeks and paced ourselves. It can be a long day on the water every day if you want it to be.
Unlike many other centres, there is group sailing which keeps things going even on light airs days. Plus there is good variety of plentiful, newish boats which are as well maintained as you could hope in such a situation. We experienced none of the "the single 4000/800/whatever was booked to others most of the time that people have reported from other centres. Plus there's racing every afternoon, complete with PY's and a series (though that was going too far for me - I wanted a holiday!). People don't pay a premium price year in year out for nothing.
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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But as I said. If you want to sail a hiker its fine. If you want to focus on perfecting your trapeze helming technique it's a waist of time and money in my opinion. Fine if you want to go for a jolly on a twin trap boat. But not if you have a specific high performance focus.
And to clarify - I was specifically interested in twin trap skiff sailing. And discussed at length with the UK staff my specific requirements which they agreed would be catered for. I was very specific that because I was going with my 13yr old I didn't want to end up trapeze helming a boat with exactly the situation I ended up with! i.e. some newbie who didn't know the first thing about trapezing. I also wanted off the boom sheeting training for my son, so the 29erXX was a specific requirement. It was F***ed from no maintenance. The only other trapeze helm alternative that didn't mean waiting for a beach staff member to become available was a Musto Skiff. I did my best to sail it in horrifically shifty gusting force 5 thermal breeze, but at 5ft 3in and 70kg that ain't much fun. Basically I was shafted.
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Bellingforth ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 68 |
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The best guaranteed wind location I've been to is Wildwind. Local conditions create a gentle onshore breeze in the morning, and then strong cross-shore wind in the afternoon. Went there a few times about 10 years ago to (successfully) introduce Mrs B to dinghy sailing. At the time they had a reasonable selection of dinghies, but tended to encourage people to sail cats. Instruction is very informal - their emphasis was on having a fun time.
Went to Minorca a few years back. Mrs B joined the Laser fleet & I ended up teaming up with a L5k sailor, so we had a great week swapping ends in a RS800. I think it was in May, and I recall the wind being generally strong enough for twin wiring, apart from one day when it blew dogs off chains & we were relegated to a L2k!! Minorca is very structured which is good if that's what you want. They ran a number of 'different' things at 4pm - I enrolled in the 'introduction to windsurfers for people who can sail' course for an hour each day. This was exactly the right amount - I'd have been knackered doing any more, and by the end of the week I was able to hook in. Quality of boats & training is best at Minorca. Wildwind is best for wind & social. (comments based on holidays a long time ago!!) Mike B.
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