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    Posted: 07 Dec 14 at 6:02pm
Being on a raised bridle, the angles on the 3000 are all different anyway compared to a tight traveller. 
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Just moving the bridle one foot forward of the stern means that the mainsheet never catches on the 3k. It is the most obvious way of improving the Laser at zero cost; but of course, it's one-design - well sort of anyway, apart from large weight and rake variations!
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It would need something stronger than a Topper boom then, though.
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I don't have an issue with aft sheeting at all, but as is the case with the Dzero, the bridle needs to be under a good amount of tension and the clever floating ring gives control of the angle. On this, the block is surely going to be all over the place and the span is so large that even with dyneema you won't have much control over where it is sheeting to. It 'looks' like it would be better with a centre sheeted bridle like the aero. 
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Every sheeting option has its own benefits and pitfalls.  Personally I live split tail main sheets on double handers.  I don't like off the hook sheeting on a anything other than trapeze boats, where I found it brilliant (14's). I don't like How it feels sailing on a hiker almost like you are pulling downwards.  Just a personal thing I guess
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The aft bridle being forwards is a little odd, and not sure it stops the mainsheet catching - it might happen less often, but when it does, it will wrap itself under half the transom. On the Lightning in my experimants with aft main I found the only sure way to stop it catching was to put it right on the transom itself - but then you need a long boom, which can drag in the water etc etc. I love aft main, but it does have its snags - literally.
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Agree with everything written above. Especially the formula 4 stuff.  Be a unique proposition for dinghy world. I like the aft sheeting, but can understand the thoughts on the aft bridle.  
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Originally posted by Chris 249


Isn't this yet more evidence that we really, really need a Formula 4 class for hiking cat rigged singlehanders?
The cat guys did it with the F18 eons ago. Just make a set of class rules that are mass-production friendly (unlike most dinghy development classes) and let everyone play together in the Formula class as well as by themselves as a SMOD, like the Nacra infusion and Hobie Tiger/Wildcat do. You could ensure that obsolescence and radical designs are controlled by requiring homologation and by strict dimensional limits, and perhaps allow in one-offs with a weight and sail area penalty.
I supposed the manufacturers fear that creating a Formula 4 (or whatever) class would make it too easy for rivals to achieve critical mass, but history tells us that new dinghy classes are highly unlikely to really catch on outside the UK anyway. If the manufacturers don't get together their new classes may all go down separately.
PS - some of us prefer aft sheeting because the leverage of the mainsheet is so much better.



+1 no brainer isn't it?
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Another one with North Sails - must mean somthing !  And when will Bethwaite reveal their take on this post-laser niche ?

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Yes! I think it would be vibrant to have several designs similar enough to race scratch and continuously evolve. Win-win as far as I can see.
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