Back on the Lake.

Simon your task is simple, stop prejudicing new boat sales by encouraging harsh handicaps, encourage your 'friends' on the PYAG to adopt a 'formula' for new boats based on the length, weight, sail area, crew weight/righting moment and use that for the first three months/necessary period to collate race data.

And stop mind melding with the Dark Prince or any of his pals in the trade.

Then nobody can accuse you and your pals of anything and all be be well in the garden..

Smell those Roses!

Nope, I'm none the wiser - Simon appears to be working hard to make the system fair - even if you disagree with some of the methods, I can't see a reason for hatred.

 ..... Ayatollah the 'Dark Prince' Lyons he who controlleth the Great Lakes system with the power of his mind.

Absolutely ...and with limited 'thought power' available (it comes to all of us with age of course) for a modest fee what would you like the venerable EPS's 'Great Lakes' number to be ?  Not that I've ever seen one at an SJ event so what is the point ?... And btw and before you get too excited I don't do 'new classes' numbers ... no not for anyone !

Seriously I don't know what you have against Simon Lovesey now - he has not a lot to do with the GL system, and never did.   (But I bet if he put a tracker on you it would be interesting !)

The clubs that pool their results together to create the GL 'adjustments'  are only doing what the RYA want individual clubs to do anyway.  YOU presumably were recently encouraged by Bas to have a 'handicap officer' at Hythe - good move - and the said officer will presumably will modify your local club handicaps in time ?  .. er almost the same maybe ? 

All that the GL system does, and the clubs that use it within the Sailjuice Series do, is make handicap adjustments against their own collective data pool.... Almost EXACTLY what Bas seems to be telling individual clubs they should be doing !  ... and you seem to now believe in (!)...The GL results are used to justify their numbers in exactly the same way as your local results should justify any local changes your club makes.

Only thing is .... YOU really have to race in the SJ series to get them to adjust their numbers and only then if the results justify it ... and they do apply a different weighting and look more towards the front of each class .... but that is not so different to doing it at individual club level by the RYA bible surely ?

See you at Datchet / Grafham / Oxford / QMSC / Northampton etc etc then ? 

Mike L.


Edited by blaze720 - 02 Dec 14 at 5:34pm

Originally posted by iGRF y'all do take your handicaps very seriously

I think GRFs problem is that he has stumbled upon a hotbed of fast miracle sailors (top end of the nationals fleet) The standard of sailing in the top 10 of the miracle nationals is really very good, and would stand competition with any of the more mainstream classes top helms.

Neal-g - why don't you make a fast boat for Nick Craig?


Edited by sawman - 01 Dec 14 at 6:50pm