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    Posted: 01 Dec 14 at 6:28pm
The Buzz must be being sailed by some seriously talented sailors to get that high up the fleet on a tiny puddle - either that or the course contained some perfect reaches for kite flying.
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Clearly the Buzz is a bandit as well.
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Not such a Miracle fest after all - maybe the eps is the only one with a problem?
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just for GRF's benefit

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the gap between 1st and 2nd was 2 seconds on corrected and between 1st and 3rd was 7 seconds on corrected
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Indeed it is more fun to whine bitch and moan, point out the f**kedupedness of it all and wind them up with the term bandit.. (You have to remember this is still all relatively new to me and y'all do take your handicaps very seriously, which presents a target rich environment for ironic exchange from a cynical old windsurfer.. ).

You have forgotten option 4.

Make a boat that will cope with it all, lake, sea, not capsize, go fast with a small rig and not make me ache like a demon the next day from all that kneeling down.

So with all that in mind I shall shortly become an official wood botherer I think I have just about finalised a plan and how to execute it with my crude woodworking skills.

Get ready for the V3..
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Your lake appears to be so small that "normal" yardsticks are very likely to be wrong. 3 choices - sail a boat that suits the lake (and will therefore be a "bandit" in your terminology, get the club to alter handicaps (though you don't seem to like this when they change yours, despite it simply being a recognition that an eps can't sail to speed on a puddle, or whinge, bitch and moan.

You appear to have gone for the last option, which might suggest you find this more fun than the actual sailing. Personally, I'd go for option 1.
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Well the main bone of contention comes from the not so long ago point when they and the streakers got along OK with the Streaker around 1162 and the Miracle was 1178 with the Solo there or there abouts and there is very little to choose between them, but they (the Miracle) have their kite to offset any perceived loss they might make to windward, which ain't that much now they can alter their jib slots significantly due to some change in the class ruling. (I don't know any of this for sure but it's what I hear.) I aint going to beat any of them Solo Streaker, Miracle I'd have to lap them twice and it's difficult often taking at least one lap to get past them if you don't make a good start and get round that top mark clear.

The normal tactical rules don't always apply down there either particularly when the wind is in the North so when they make silly mistakes (like not taking the tack that's taking you closest to the mark) they can still get a 'lucky' break.

The other problem you have with a mono rig is the inability to crank a tactical lee bow onto twin sailed hulls, they still sail all over you, lots of stuff I'm not used to, you might lee bow their jib but their main still shoves them over you, that damn Jenna kept doing it in the Snipe, she's all over me like a bad rash upwind, that's another Bandit at 1080

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

If the results don't support it, Rupert, how can you believe that is it?  Suspicions about the sailors' abilities, I guess.

Actually, I can believe that 1200 is favourable for a Miracle on a little pond with a tendency to lighter winds, but try it on a tideway where quicker boats are flying uptide unawares, while you're struggling to stem it.

Another example where we do need different numbers for different venues.

I knew we'd soon get this topic onto the PY track!


Not even the helming standard - simply the thought that can a boat with added spinnaker really be that much slower than a Firefly? Doesn't "fit" my preconceptions. I can well believe that neither the Miracle nor the Firefly would be quick on the tide, so it is purely an inland thing. I have a feeling that a well sailed Firefly on GRF's pond would wipe the floor with the lot of them, so maybe 1200 not so bad, and it is simply that the rest of them are either muppets or sailing boats which fail to suit the water, neither of which make the Miracle a bandit.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 14 at 2:56pm
Can't call me that now.. I made top twenty in a 5-6 remember? Oh no you were probably tucked up in bed with ear defenders in case that wind howl frightened you..

That article was in 'the Halo' the Halo is the class bible everything in it is true, if they had an article about Kool Aid they'd queue up to lay down in a circle.

I'd been getting confused about them wittering about this Halo, I'd thought hmm one bandit to another and quipped about 1015 and had it anything to do with Ayatollah the 'Dark Prince' Lyons he who controlleth the Great Lakes system with the power of his mind.

But no, I've just discovered it this very moment on their website, next to the sacrifice your child bit..    

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I'm not sure whether a "bad helm in a quicker boat" is allowed to make such judgements.
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