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Rupert 
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 Topic: RS aeroPosted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:32am |
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I think KW was being ironic at that point - the "dramatic rescue" thing being used in every story of capsized dinghies from Daily Mail to RNLI magazine when someone has got a little cold and tired and been picked up by the safety boat which has been waiting around for that exact eventuality. But that isn't very dramatic or much of a rescue, so makes for a poor tale.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:37am |
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Simon - I don't know how getting in the boat would validate whether I heard something through the grapevine or not, add a little logic there would you?
I've been quite clear it's a matter of conjecture, and the additional criticism in this direction not something I'd intended to share until popped in a corner; but you seem to be spinning and filtering my responses to suit your own agenda. I have no debate with you on this- it's a dinghy, I reckon it would be reasonably easy to recover from a capsize, and like you, it would be something I would test for myself if I were demo'ing the boat. I cannot (nor would I want to) speak for the majority of the old duffers who buy new boats, but given the feedback on the proper course blog, they'd be bat-sh*t crazy not to at least try a capsize recovery before forking out for the balance on their orders, especially if they are looking at the larger rig combo. But hey, it's their money and one thing's for sure, RS are good company, they are providing training and worst case scenario, I'm sure they've got good public liability insurance.
And no, I doubt there would too many people I know through sailing that would be surprised to know I have always hankered after another 300 at some point. It's one of the few boats I've regretted selling... I felt the D-Zero shares some of the characteristics of the 300, but with a lot more stability and a little less power. The only reason I didn't pull the trigger on a new 300 was because I heard about the Aero.... I have the email trail for the enquiry to RS if you really don't believe me, long before Holman et al. peaked my interest with his announcement of something I think seems infinitely superior. (That's an opinion by the way, you're welcome to form a different one.) Edited by kneewrecker - 26 Nov 14 at 10:48am |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:39am |
clearly I did need the speech marks for everyone else Rupert....
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Null
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:48am |
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SImon, I think you are being a little unfair. James ordered a Zero and cancelled it as he had decided to move house. He does not support us as a class. Read his posts he makes no comparrison to the Zero. He built the website, as a favour for friends. Which is why he also comments on our FB group. James is a friend to several people in our fleet.
Lets not forget this is a public forum, where people are allowed to ask questions make statements. We ( Both Zero and Aero) have to take the rough with the smooth if we (as members) decide to use this media to promote what we are doing. Lets not forget these are threads started by owners or owners with orders in. Not by the manufacturers of retailers. I am confident that if the Zero class had had something like that written about them James would be all over it. Despite how people like to draw conclussions its nothing personal its just someones opinion. James is entitled to ak questions and make statements as much as you are. If you dont like it dont respond is the simple way to look at it. There are plenty of people on here with deeper agendas than James...Trust me! Now i promised myself that i wouldnt get involved with inter class t*t for tat any more. RS have to some degree responded to criticism (I notice Pete edited one of his comments which was a bit of a dig at another class...Again as per your advice i am sure he has sailed both?) IF the numbers sold are true RS have nothing to worry about and frankly 20 forum users posting within a 44 page forum thread has little impact. But even now there are still very few posting on the facebook page or here.
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Rupert
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:49am |
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I know that speech marks are the written equivalent of a sarky voice when used in this context, but irony and sarcasm don't work very well on forums!
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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JimC
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:52am |
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The constant FUD from kneewrecker is getting extremely tedious.
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 10:59am |
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No spinning here jim, just facts based on experience rather than rumours or grapevines.
You are of course entitled to your views, but you should also not be surprised when people who have carried out these tests say you are exaggerating all of this for whatever reasons are driving the comments. The proper course blog was quite clear on a number of points. He sailed a prototype and they did not have grab handles so you are pulling from the centre of the boat not from the side and that will naturally pull the boat back on top of you. That the boom was skied holding the sail right up in the wind. That only stayed there because the minorca sailing guys had put a masthead float on, otherwise it would have gone further over and the sail would have dropped on the water and hold the boat there. If you hold any sail up in the wind like that with a dinghy of say 30-70kg the boat will blow away (unless of course it has wings like a blaze). He even suggests he was tentative about climbing over the honeycomb flaps when coming in over the stern - the key is not to climb in, but grab them and submerge them, you float in pretty easily at that point. He seemed concerned about them being fragile, but they are not. so grab, dunk, slide - simple. I am not sure what your weight and age was when you last sailed a 300, but a 70kg sailor will be noticeably faster than 90kg sailor because it has such a low wetted suface area which grows considerably as weight increases. Oh and if you thought a 100 was challenging to board..... |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 11:01am |
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt? or F*cked Up Diatribe, not sure which you mean Jim? Anyway, let's leave it there. I personally don't see there would be an issue getting my ass back into an Aero, anymore than I saw issue with the RS100 that preceded it. I do however not write off other opinions based on their experience without consideration, and had I been in Pete's shoes, I would be making videos too. Quite why some of you can't understand that I don't know.... but hey ho. |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 11:05am |
Simon, seriously, I appreciate you are trying to discredit me, but read again what I have written, not what your little RS phanboy brain is telling you. And if in doubt check out the video I shot to re-itterate that it was not 'challenging' to board, quite the contrary. I filmed 4 various capsizes inside of half an hour, edited down to less than 8 minutes of actual action - including kite packs and hoists. As for the 300 ... boom walk. Again see my video- the technique is directly applicable to the 100 also.
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Rockhopper
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Posted: 26 Nov 14 at 11:09am |
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Just go out buy the 300 James I know if I had any interest in coming back it would be a 300 over any other boat, But hey what the heck I stopped when I did for lots of reasons and am quite happy riding motorbikes instead
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