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    Posted: 21 Nov 14 at 3:14pm
what a cheery ol' subject for a Friday afternoon. 

Okay- anyone fancy a virtual drowning?

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Well thats cheered me up........ not  Ouch
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shall we go back to discussing an irrational distaste for dacron sails Simon...?  
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by Rupert

I can remember ducking under a Firefly when I was a kid to get the board out. It was fine, but certainly not something I'd encourage small children to do.

Must check what a Feva is like underwater - can't believe there is a nice cosy place like the Firefly or Scorp.

I have.  There is.


Good to know, thank you. Bit cold to try it out currently!
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I'd not suggest to anyone that they go under the boat for any reason, but it may well be they either end up there themselves after a capsize or they decide for themselves that it is the best way of solving a problem. If either is the case, then it makes sense to become familiar with the underneath of a turtled boat. However, I'd not say that it should be part of a course. But, a course is a safer environment in which to try it. So I'm a little conflicted on this one...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 14 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by Rupert

So I'm a little conflicted on this one...

ditto - Nessa's changed my perceptions / assumptions, but I also have some sympathy for Sarge and Jim's posts on this having found the serenity of the air pocket a far nicer place to sort out a kite mess than splashing around the boom and sail of a capsized boat, with a helm barking orders from the centreboard.


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After the situation a few years ago when someone tragically died in an entanglement I had to rewrite all the RS manuals to include the advice from the RYA inquiry, if I remember correctly it was that someone should get to the centreboard as quickly as possible to try and avoid inversion. Don't have a manual here anymore so I can't check the exact wording, but we also fitted every boat with a device to stop the C/B dropping back when the boat was inverted. This was particularly important on the weighted board on the venture: I did get moaned at by an instructor once who'd somehow managed to capsize a venture with a weighted board when it was full of pupils and he'd modified the safety leash to allow him to sail with the board half up.
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Having been into the void under the Fireball to retrieve the centreboard on the odd occasion my experience says the getting in there and getting out again are the difficult / scary bits. Once undernesth all is tranquility and peace. Kite sheets and twinners seem to be the main suspects in the entanglement stakes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 14 at 9:43pm
On our old Javelin the old, wet, sticky, kite used to jam in the chute and I used to crawl under the foredeck to free it off. The thought of being under there wrapped in spinnaker and string when the boat went over gave me bad dreams! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 14 at 11:05am
I've found that being under an inverted Tasar in a severe hailstorm is quite snug and comfortable, although that's in water temperatures of 20 C +. Smile

Surely the answer to such a question depends enormously on the experience of the person doing the diving? Some people are very strong swimmers who are used to doing much more complicated work underwater than extricating themselves from a rope. Others have others strengths in life and are not good with their heads under the wet stuff. How can anyone class them in the same way?

Personally a lot of the time I'm with Sarge, Jim, Rupert etc - learn how to handle the situation when it's under control.* If you're going to dive under a boat that's fine, but know how long you can hold your breath and how to hold your mind while doing so.

* if I'm not misquoting them....it's been a hard day's sailing in our new (to us) 20' cat in blazing sunshine and 26 knot gusts. Tough life!






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