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    Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 8:37am
Not sure there are many people around with the skills to "tune" a wooden mast these days - certainly not me - and possibly not too many who could successfully glue the 2 halves of a pre made one together. And not cheap, either.
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Don't ask, very rocky ownership?

Trouble with wood spars is that they get rather heavy by modern standards
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Someone who shall remain nameless from the UK Cherub fleet did than when competing in Mirrors in the 80's. It was a surprisingly light and stiff gaff (wooden ;-) ) section and measured perfectly.
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I was thinking.....masts are complicated technical things these days, engineered for bend characteristics, stiffness and all sorts of other stuff. What you need is a long thin blank that can be shaped and machined. So why not go back to wood? I have seen hollow wooden masts made by sticking two hollowed out halves together. You could rout a slot for the bolt rope and keep planing bits off to make it flex where you want it to. It could also have a section like a wing mast. At the end you could skin it in carbon for protection.
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There are also a lot of 2ndhand boats around, so if cash poor, that is a cheaper route to ownership than a kit, especially as a mast and sails are so expensive these days.

You only build a kit boat because you want to do carpentry, not because you want to go sailing.
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Bell probably went to the wall because all they were offering was dross.

That Little Farr 3.7 is not exactly dross, nor is the Hadron although having studied some of the builds it is trying to stay within the class rules of the Ark.

I wonder if a more modern self assembly pre pack could be constructed, it would remove the biggest cost factor, labour, maybe I shall consider this in my winter project..
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When 3D printers in the home become the norm life will be so different
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fundamentally 

time poor, cash (or credit ) rich - you go out and buy one ready-to-sail

time rich , cash poor- depends if you have the skills,  if you have the skills to make a boat measure to modern rules you are likely  to want to  have control over  materials  specification and fitting choice within the rules  ( which  would further pump up the ppirce of the thiese mythicla 'boat in a box packs)

if you don't have the skills even with pre cut panels and simplified  construction methods you'd still have issues making it measure  and if the boat doesn't measure it's money flushed down the drain

Bell went to the wall as they could not make money from the model being proposed , I dread to think what  the courier/ delivery firms would charge ot deliver a 'boat in a box ' kit  even with a multi piece mast ... it would be too heavy / large for the  parcle boys  which puts it into the realms of the  commercial carriers who aren't set up for  residential multi dropping ...  where a set of plans  can be  sent by  royal mail parcels / your choice of document courier / as computer files to  the local large format printer / work CAD monkey ...
 
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by zippyRN


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I usually get screws left over.

I'm serious, that Farr thing could be supplied as a box of bits, you'd get the plans, all the bits cut out, the ply necessary to build it all in a box the size of the biggest bit of ply, why not? Then there might have to be a separate box with the rig bits in it, two part mast obviously. Nice Instructional DvD on how to put it all together.

 oh  do keep up Grumpf , messers Holt, Bucknall and Bell were doing  that in the mid C20th  with the Mirror ...mabe soneone  could remind us why Bell  went to the wall taking their  final kit boat design  with it (?flyer) ...


Really? Show me the link where I can buy it then, all the bits I need ready to assemble in a box, with an instructional DvD.

Love to iGRF, and I actually here you. What the Farr 3.7 has is as close as I could get it. 
My issue is funding.
Care to add into the pot to create such a product with associated collateral and marketing? I'll take you up on the offer.

is it not so dissimilar from finding a donor boat and taking a screwdriver to the mast foot and chainplate anchor points?  

There's plenty of very good Phantoms kicking around the <£3k price point these days (thank you D-One owners).... adding a wire would not make a sprightly little boat like a Farr, but it would certainly liven-up the experience if hiking your balls off doesn't quite appeal.
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I think you are all missing the point here.....
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