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    Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 7:37pm
I think that it's probably easier to get a boat sorted for lightweights than heavyweights. After all to get something that's genuinely exciting for a bigger person means that it's going to have to be very windy and therefore difficult to sail. Lightweights have it much easier, bung abut more sail up and a force two is good
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Jim C. You tried to help me get my head around the geometry of this before.
We are talking hard on the wind of course.
What is the difference in loads on the mast between say a 100kg 2 metre bloke hiking hard all the way out and say a 50 kg twiglet wiring flat off the gunwales? Wiring off a combined shroud attachment point as in my Contender. Forgive the inexactitude of my numbers, just trying to represent a similar righting moment.
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Nope, it needs to be sold Ikea Style... Boat in a Box, easy assembly everything you need to make this exciting new boat, £999.99.

It's a dumbed down world we live in, we want it and we want it now, don't mind spending a weekend putting it together, nothing more I'm afraid.

That Butler Boats should prefabricate it then pack it all up in a box, you might sell a few more.

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You'd need to change the rig anyway as the trap would change the bend characteristics of the mast (or snap it), so you may as well bung on a 12 or 13 SqM sail and be done with it.

Or design a new boat, long and slim, specially for lightweights who find waterline length and speed fun, rather than shouty FUN!!!!!!!!! with far too many exclamation marks. Something less extreme than the IC, without racks but with a trapeze and a smallish sail coupled with an easily driven hull with decent non trap performance. Maybe RS should produce it, call it the Twix or something.

Or have Hobie had than name already?
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow


Originally posted by maxibuddah

But if you did that to a phantom it would become a medium weights boat which is already serviced by the contender so what would be the point other than the higher boom, which isn't that much different once you take the rig on a phantom anyway

Yep and not as good as a Contender.


I'd challenge that last part- it would still go well in light winds (perching) and th wire would be there for when hiking looks like too much effort.

And you could whack a bigger sail on it- it's not a Phantom anymore after all.
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iGRF if you look here http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html you will see a very large Banner Ad that you can click. And this will take you to a page where you can buy your plans. You can even pay via PayPal. You can choose to have the CNC files which you can use to cut your wood which you purchase from Robbins. All of this information is available on the same website. The plans contain everything you need to make your dinghy. Plus we have provided Blog's of all the people that have built there's so far so you can avoid there mistakes. Or understand more easily the build process.

Or if you wish a nice New Zealand company can partially make up the CNC cut wooden parts for you and post them all the way around the world. In fact he will even sell you a hull that is finished and waiting for paint. But it wood. Sorry.

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow


Originally posted by iGRF


Do they offer self assembly pre cut kits? I would have thought that would be a useful item to market.



That's as clear as mud and as useful as a chocolate fire guard.

Is there a box of bits, with a retail price tag and instructions? Then next question (note the buying signal) how much?

Don't you just love trying to buy stuff from dinghyists, it's so simple.
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Originally posted by iiitick

Loads of cheap Rondar Contenders out there....just cut 2' off the foot of the sail.

I'm loving the use of the word 'just' in that sentence!  LOL


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Could do Tick, but, she's a bit too heavy to lose sail area and power though, I suspect a Contender with less wouldn't go in light or heavy.  
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Loads of cheap Rondar Contenders out there....just cut 2' off the foot of the sail.
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