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Do Different 
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 Topic: Widening the weight range.Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 1:29pm |
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All respect to the supporters of the Farr 3.7.
Just thought though, if the Farr is an easy trap boat for UK lightweights would it have worked to put a wire on a Phantom? Not a great deal heavier boat, a little longer but I see some 3.7ers feel the need for a rudder gantry anyway and a boat that is well known and already around in numbers in the UK. Lighter, less sail and a higher boom than a Contender. I like the general concept of the Blaze with it's multiple rigs, the Aero and of course before them both Laser. Seems sense to me to widen the family of a boat rather creating lots of tiny niches. |
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JimC
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 1:53pm |
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The litle Farr is a much more sophisticated shape than a Phantom though. And there's more to being a lightweights (or heavyweights) boat than just adding leverage or rag..
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 1:59pm |
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Farr enough
 . I appreciate all the elements need to work in balance.
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Rupert
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:22pm |
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Jim, how do you define sophisticated in dinghy design? The Farr to me looks like a nicely designed plywood box, same as many of the nicely designed plywood boxes of the UK, Phantom included. Some of the design compromises are different, for sure, but why does that add sophistication?
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:25pm |
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And anyway... would a frankenboat actually make a viable class? I don't think so. Imagine the 'Forum Storm' of negativeness, both on here and on the Phantom Class site if I'd tried to do that to an established class. I'm not into damaging and cannibalising. One of the most attractive things about the Farr 3.7 is it already has a class constitution, rule set and organising body set up. It's established and has been for 40 years. In the UK we are just tapping into all of that experience, and broadening the base. I'm staggered that the Farr 3.7 hasn't made it here before my time. It's a fantastic boat and would really improve the sailing landscape in the UK.
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If you can get a close look at one have a look at the curvature in the panels below the chine and how its distributed. |
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:29pm |
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The Phantom ( and similarly shaped Mirror14/Marauder ) were originally designed for stitch and glue construction, so the hull shape is constrained by the way the ply sheets bent when pulled together.
The Europe is another hull shape determined by the bend of the original ply construction. |
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:32pm |
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Well yes Jack you are correct in all you say, however on balance that is more about the politics of sailing and classes than design.
I am just asking a question on a "Dinghy Development" forum. I do salute anyones enthusiasm for a Class that they feel an affinity to, I know, I'm an ethnic minority in the dinghy world myself.
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:39pm |
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Hmm, I had this exact conversation with some guys last week....
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Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 3:01pm |
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Why is it, just because we're light, everyone seems to think we have to have short length boats?
I seriously looked at that Farr, it should be right up my street, but 370? Really? I wouldn't look at a race board that short, even 380 is pushing it. And that picture in Y&Y a 'new' boat for us to enjoy here in the 21st century, made of wood and looking like just about every other 1970's design, it really is 'back to the future' back here in good old 1985, even the Rooster Streaker looks more modern I'd sooner put a trap on that. Edited by iGRF - 17 Nov 14 at 3:03pm |
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