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    Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

But if you did that to a phantom it would become a medium weights boat which is already serviced by the contender so what would be the point other than the higher boom, which isn't that much different once you take the rig on a phantom anyway

Yep and not as good as a Contender.
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Originally posted by iGRF



Do they offer self assembly pre cut kits? I would have thought that would be a useful item to market.

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But if you did that to a phantom it would become a medium weights boat which is already serviced by the contender so what would be the point other than the higher boom, which isn't that much different once you take the rig on a phantom anyway
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 3:48pm
Yep it's a lot of fun going off the line beside some 4,20 Laser stuffing it as high as he can.

Larking about FUN? Get a kite and kite board, 3 dimensional fun, up and down as well as across.

I note they feature a carbon rig though having had a look on the website, so the day may well yet dawn that they build a composite and feature a carbon rig.

Do they offer self assembly pre cut kits? I would have thought that would be a useful item to market.

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Like your spirit Jack  Beer , I'm all for FUN. 

For what it's worth. I've nothing against wood either, good stuff selected by people who know their trade weight to stiffness there are boats made of a lot worse materials. 
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Originally posted by iGRF

Why is it, just because we're light, everyone seems to think we have to have short length boats?

I seriously looked at that Farr, it should be right up my street, but 370? Really? I wouldn't look at a race board that short, even 380 is pushing it.

And that picture in Y&Y a 'new' boat for us to enjoy here in the 21st century, made of wood and looking like just about every other 1970's design, it really is 'back to the future' back here in good old 1985, even the Rooster Streaker looks more modern I'd sooner put a trap on that.

If you looked a little further, say on Butler Boats Facebook page, you might see that there is a composite mould being made iGRF.

Size has a relationship to weight as well as a relationship to being able to make one in your garage. But the biggest relationship that size has is to is FUN. Shorter boats are more lively and therefore more FUN to sail. The first two relationships also add to the FUN triangle as moving light boats around is more FUN and certainly building one yourself is a lot of FUN....

...So you see it isn't that light people (& kids) have to have short boats, it's just that light people ( &kids) like to have FUN.
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Why is it, just because we're light, everyone seems to think we have to have short length boats?

I seriously looked at that Farr, it should be right up my street, but 370? Really? I wouldn't look at a race board that short, even 380 is pushing it.

And that picture in Y&Y a 'new' boat for us to enjoy here in the 21st century, made of wood and looking like just about every other 1970's design, it really is 'back to the future' back here in good old 1985, even the Rooster Streaker looks more modern I'd sooner put a trap on that.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:39pm
Hmm, I had this exact conversation with some guys last week....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:32pm
Well yes Jack you are correct in all you say, however on balance that is more about the politics of sailing and classes than design.

I am just asking a question on a "Dinghy Development" forum.

I do salute anyones enthusiasm for a Class that they feel an affinity to, I know, I'm an ethnic minority in the dinghy world myself.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 2:29pm
The Phantom ( and similarly shaped Mirror14/Marauder ) were originally designed for stitch and glue construction, so the hull shape is constrained by the way the ply sheets bent when pulled together.
The Europe is another hull shape determined by the bend of the original ply construction.

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