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    Posted: 11 Nov 14 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by kneewrecker

about 200,000 others to race against around the globe.... that is, and always will be, the achilles heel of any boat in this market space.  


I kind of agree with that, its why I bought a Laser when I returned to the sport in 2012. There is a but, though! At GWSC we're finding that folk who wont touch a Laser with a barge pole, or previously owned one couldn't tolerate it and got into something else entirely different, are moving into the D-Zero as they really want a simple single hander. If we can keep up the momentum so far the size of the D-Zero fleet could be significantly larger than the Laser fleet ever was due the points summarised above by Medway Maniac. To get there though we will likely need a used market with a price point to suit a broader range of pockets so its going to take a little time.
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about 200,000 others to race against around the globe.... that is, and always will be, the achilles heel of any boat in this market space.  


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So, compared to the Laser, the D-Zero is:
- faster
- more comfortable
- easier to sail
- less likely to capsize ('more stable' is too ambiguous)
- easier to right when capsized
- lighter to lug around on shore
- better built.

What have I missed?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 14 at 9:35am
It needs more Phantom size sailors to sink the transom a little - all these Grafham hotshots aren't doing the class handicap any favours  LOL  

Even Russ has shed a few pounds lately, it's disgusting behaviour....

BTW- I've only seen one person really give it a good moan about the handicap, but then he clearly demonstrates in other threads he doesn't really have a clue about the PY system, besides he's been seduced by the dark side of the force with the offer of a free demo boat.
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Dear All,

The Ovington Inlands were held at Grafham last weekend, on Sunday The Phantoms had the pleasure of racing off the same start as the D-Zero fleet, In race 1 we started with very little (none) breeze and the greater sail area & waterline length of the phantom appeared slightly faster. The second race started in a little more wind 4-7 mph a couple of the D-zero sailors shot off the start-line and held the lead on the water at times. This was helped as the course was nearly a perfect square, giving a good length run (the Phantoms hate running as the shrouds prevent the boom getting square) whereas the unstayed rig on the D-zero allows running by the lee etc. Therefore if you assume the leading Phantoms are at least sailing to handicap (1002-1008 depending on whom you believe) then the leading D-zero will be sailing to a handicap of <1010. There is another point that few are bringing up… The Phantom handicap didn’t start at 1002 we moved over a great number of years from around 1050, some of that is due to modern materials but a percentage is due to improved techniques and rig set up. I know the phantom is partially a development class and the D-Zero is a one design, but so is / was the laser and the good guys in the laser just kept on getting faster & faster (ok I accept they became professional, but the kit is essentially the same). Most of you guys have had your boats a few weeks, trust me, the fleet will be going even faster in a year’s time when you work out how to set the thing up properly. But please stop complaining about a handicap of 1050, its going to be much faster than that.

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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by Null

It's the traveller line Rupert.  It's important to keep it tight, bar tight. But as you tension you can move the traveler turn ring which means your traveller is longer one tack then the other.  So rule of thumb is tension and centre 


So you have a traveller but don't use it? Or do you drop it down when it blows, but have to centre it in the light stuff?

Disappointed now, partly because travellers are banned in the Lightning, but also because I was hoping it was some special piece of kit unique to the 0.

Don't be disappointed so early on a gloomy morning, it does have a traveler, the ring is on a separate line and acts as a central pivot point for the control line, I'm sure somebody will provide a picture, but sadly not me before the weekend Cry
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Originally posted by Null

It's the traveller line Rupert.  It's important to keep it tight, bar tight. But as you tension you can move the traveler turn ring which means your traveller is longer one tack then the other.  So rule of thumb is tension and centre 


So you have a traveller but don't use it? Or do you drop it down when it blows, but have to centre it in the light stuff?

Disappointed now, partly because travellers are banned in the Lightning, but also because I was hoping it was some special piece of kit unique to the 0.
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Thanks for all the replies re. capsize recovery.  Sounds great - "easier than a Laser" means pretty easy.  

I imagine the light, sealed rig must make inversion rare unless you corkscrew in on a broad reach.  Having a narrow hull clearly helps as well in terms of height of centreboard above the water when capsized.
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It's the traveller line Rupert.  It's important to keep it tight, bar tight. But as you tension you can move the traveler turn ring which means your traveller is longer one tack then the other.  So rule of thumb is tension and centre 
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Originally posted by Null

Forgot to mention.  I spent some time tensioning and centring my ring!!.......sounds so wrong, but a tight line and central ring position is critical.  Wink Wink


Taken up pilates then?

Actually, I have no idea what you are talking about - I assume the 0 has someting that my boats don't, and I want one, just so I can tension my ring.
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