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    Posted: 10 Nov 14 at 7:02pm
fell out of the demo boat to windward last weekend whilst kiting it laser style in gusty weather and talking to an Aero 7 sailor about which was the right way round the course. needless to say, not concentrating and binned it to windward. Swam quickly round to board, climbed on and happily rolled back into the cockpit as the boat came up with the sail to windward. Was expecting it to roll me out again but the inherent stability of the hull form meant it didn't go over the other way as the boom came over and I was back racing within 15s of the capsize. never felt the need for grab rails and didn't use the grip pad on the hull. I now have my new boat delivered and not intending to put grip pads on.

planning on some bimbles, but need time and a few parts first- as a 12 sailor, just can't help myself- have to bimble!


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Forgot to mention.  I spent some time tensioning and centring my ring!!.......sounds so wrong, but a tight line and central ring position is critical.  Wink Wink
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As a D-Zero 'Big Unit' sailor I have found capsize recovery very easy and pulled myself back in with no problem, never thought about hand rails or old fashioned gunwhales ( they are just so 20th.century) while I was doing it.
Might give that extra kicker purchase a go, can't resist a not required bimble, it's in the DNA Wink
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

Are those trapeze handles you are using? I'm not sure about extra purchase on the kicker, I seem to be in a land of no wind or hurricanes at the moment so can't comment Big smile
 
They are yes, bit over kill but i like how easy it i to grab and yank with them.  Especially with GHEY winter gloves etc.

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

At the risk of getting a knee-jerk "no problem at all" reaction, how are people coping with the lack of a gunwale lip in capsizes, especially inversions?
I like the idea of flaring the topsides out to the extreme edge of the beam from a sailing qualities standpoint, but am concerned about the capsize recovery aspect of that feature.


I've capsized the D-Zero a couple of times but have not inverted, presumably aided by the sealed mast sections.

I watched another sailor invert the boat, and he appeared to experience no problem in gaining sufficient grip and leverage, in order to right the boat quickly and safely.
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

Are those trapeze handles you are using? I'm not sure about extra purchase on the kicker, I seem to be in a land of no wind or hurricanes at the moment so can't comment Big smile
 
They are yes, bit over kill but i like how easy it i to grab and yank with them.  Especially with winter gloves etc.
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

Are those trapeze handles you are using? I'm not sure about extra purchase on the kicker, I seem to be in a land of no wind or hurricanes at the moment so can't comment Big smile

they are trapeze handles, I am hoping the bimbler will take some better pictures (with the boat clean) so I can start a 'pimps and bimbles' section on the class site.
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Im yet to try it in anger MM, there has been some feedback on the facebook group of "Not a problem"
 
Here was some feedback on SA:
 

Close hauled in the middle of tacking practice, puff, missed toe strap, straight out the side (full dunking) and boat capsized to leeward. Once I'd stopped laughing at myself I swam back the short distance to the capsized boat, which was showing no signs of wishing to invert, and set about getting up onto the daggerboard. First thing I noticed I'm quite sure the boat sits lower in the water capsized than my Laser, the daggerboard within easy reach. So, time to get on the daggerboard. As soon as I start to put any weight, all 74kg of me, on the board the boat starts to right. Fine, so continue to let the weight of my torso rest on the board and, in no time at all, she's coming up and I make the last half of the righting by pushing on the board with one arm and reaching up to pull the deck down towards me with the other. Boat now upright and stable though bow coming through the wind making me now leeward side. Swim around the transom, as at this point its nearer, though I appreciate going around the bow would've made more sense to keep the boat close to head to wind. Position myself on windward side with boat prob 50+ degrees off the wind and reach in grabbing mainsheet, so I can sheet in and give the boat something to resist my weight if needed. Grab the toe strap with the other hand and I'm in. As I climbed in the boat was perfectly stable and didn't feel remotely like it wanted to come in on top of me or any such nonsense. Grab tiller, sheet in and I'm away.

Overall certainly an easier boat to handle in the capsize than my Laser, which is my only frame of reference these days as its 20+ years since I last sailed my N12. I really don't see any need for grab rails in the cockpit either. Its easy enough to grab hold of the toe strap and mainsheet. A grab rail, in my opinion, would be too close and not afford sufficient leverage. There may be other use cases for a grab rail but I don't know what they are!

FOr anyone that is overly concerned Rodney supplies a rubberised grip that fits to the gunwale which gives plenty of traction.  Despite there not being a traditional gunwale there is still enough of a lip to gain purchase in my opinion.  There has certainly not been any feeback where anyone has struggled as of yet.  If we can get a go pro set up on the training day (29th) I will happilty give it a go and post the video on here?  In fact i will even do a miss the toestrap style fall out and we can film the whole thing including how long it takes to full invert? 


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Also on topic, the Demo Tour moves to Draycote Water and Island Barn this coming weekend see here for more details:
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

At the risk of getting a knee-jerk "no problem at all" reaction, how are people coping with the lack of a gunwale lip in capsizes, especially inversions?

I like the idea of flaring the topsides out to the extreme edge of the beam from a sailing qualities standpoint, but am concerned about the capsize recovery aspect of that feature.

My feelow Hunts sailor (who I shall not name even though he may lurk here) has had a couple of cpasizes, 1 inversion. He does not have the grippy tape on his boat and said it was no real issue at all for him to right the boat and get back in.

I have laid mine over twice and had 1 to windward.

If you get over the top then no problem just a bounce on the board to get the boat coming back up and hop back in.

If you are in the water I have found that you cant get on the board, the boat rights itself almost as soon as you put weight on it. Then simply a case of grabbing the tow strap and pulling yourself back in. Hardly elegant but effective.
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