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    Posted: 03 Nov 14 at 12:56pm
Nice little video of the 5- it's gliding well in a solid breeze, no need for the planing upwind hyper-myth.



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Originally posted by rich96

Originally posted by davidyacht

It probably is fair to say that it is a real handicap to a start up class if the PY is too optimistic, I am pretty sure that it doomed the Tasar start up, because nobody could accept that a non-trap non-spi boat was ever going to sail as fast as a Fireball, even iif on occassion it could.


Yup - when they arrived we were told that they would be as quick as the 470s and Fireballs but overall were not in the same ballpark

Only the Icon seems to get anywhere near that from my own recent experience.

The Tasar is a nice boat to sail and is undoubtedly quick but not Fireball quick (IMO).
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Originally posted by davidyacht

It probably is fair to say that it is a real handicap to a start up class if the PY is too optimistic, I am pretty sure that it doomed the Tasar start up, because nobody could accept that a non-trap non-spi boat was ever going to sail as fast as a Fireball, even iif on occassion it could.


Yup - when they arrived we were told that they would be as quick as the 470s and Fireballs but overall were not in the same ballpark
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Originally posted by blaze720

A few of you lot seem obsessed with the Blaze !!   

I would take it as a compliment, essentially no one is questioning the Blaze's ability to show you its heels upwind in a decent breeze.  It is the obvious reference point from the POV of a singlehanded hiking boat and upwind planing.   I certainly don't recall anyone claiming the RS300 planes upwind...  even in big breeze.

When another manufacturer launches a product will similar claims, and, on here at least, we're talking VMG optimised planing to a windward mark, e.g. a 420/470 in F4-5, barber-haul the jib, knock off a few degrees and get planing, not reaching around like a windyplanker sailing a cross-off beach keeping 'upwind' a bit.... some folks on this forum are going to question it.  

It's a bold claim... 'upwind planing'.  As a potential owner of a D-Zero, I would never anticipate it would 'plane upwind' as I understand it.  I would also expect to out-sailed by a Blaze over the water- especially in any wind worth considering.  I also note that neither Dan nor Rodney have not made such a claim either- less hype, more reality check maybe.  Alternatively we're just talking different markets, as sailboat racer I'd concern myself over VMG and weather marks.... as an RS Aero beach sailor, I just want to stay upwind enough to get back to my trolley without tacking.  (Assuming of course if I've needed one after carrying it from the carpark, one handed...)

With Go Pros and Youtube being such an inexpensive option, I'm really surprised not to see any evidence to support this upwind planing claim from RS... yet.  In the videos I've seen it seems to bash away like any other small sailboat.    Even Martin W's questioned it on SA if anyone cares the thread dredge over there.  But here it is again, under discussion, questions raised with correlating eyebrows.  'It's advertising' according to Blue One, no it's false advertising if it's a load of b**locks mate.

As for PY... whatever.... I tend to agree with Jim on this.  1% is nothing and it'll settle out in the wash.


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The Dzero at our sea based club is sailing off 1050 ( Dans recommended Number ) and seems about right. 

 We will be trying for 1040 for the 9 and 1065 for the 7. 1025 has been used on the RS website, but they believe thats too low for the sea. Gurnard are using 1035 at present and its not proving faster than that.

Hopefully we will get the numbers out so PY won't really bother us.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 14 at 10:44am
Maybe some one should put trackers on these boats, sail them in a range of wind strengths and directions and plot some polars.  I would guess that the area encompassed by the polar would be representative of the performance accross the range.  It would be interesting to compare this data with the relative PY's.

It probably is fair to say that it is a real handicap to a start up class if the PY is too optimistic, I am pretty sure that it doomed the Tasar start up, because nobody could accept that a non-trap non-spi boat was ever going to sail as fast as a Fireball, even iif on occassion it could.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Null Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 14 at 6:50pm
Mike,
I'm not sure that's the case.  It was mentioned in another thread as the py was greater via the gl handicap system then both new boats.  You then got your arse out thinking I/others were suggesting you/we/whoever had some kind of hand in the py system.

You are right however not sure why the blaze is being compared more than any other class.  That said, people talked about the ok, finn and 300 earlier in these threads so it's probably just natural snow balling of threads.
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I understand that is a "was" so far as Ian is concerned, and he now once again has a nice newish Blaze - his third!

We'd be delighted to have you come to the Medway Regatta on 18 & 19th July 2015.  Six Blazes will mean class prizes within the Medium Handicap, 12 Blazes get their own start   Big smile

There, that's this thread well and truly hijacked.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 14 at 6:13pm
Hi Medway

OK - understand now .... and also pleasently surprised if those Blaze numbers are for real.  We still find it mildly amusing that the Blaze seems to have become some sort of benchmark on a few threads at the moment .... not that anybody minds really this end.  But what about that additional but perhaps more relevant (ie unstayed) boat the RS 300 ?  

BTW we had heard that Ian Foxwell is/was also in the market for a decent Blaze currently in your neck of the woods so the CA maybe should think about another meeting next year ....  

Mike L.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 14 at 5:47pm
I was only referring to the Blaze, Mike, in response to Simon's comment:

Originally posted by SimonW99

Quicker than a Blaze on the sea- not a chance in any breeze. in sub planing conditions its may be up there but there is no way it will be close to a Blaze in any breeze.

But yes, the WSC is a bit of a Blaze hot spot at present.  We have six who are pretty regular, about to be joined by another, plus three occasionals.  We'd like to see them become a fleet and get their own start, but for the moment they prefer to stay in the Medium Fleet which they dominate if neither of our hot Mk4 Wayfarers is out (in which case they rend their garments in frustration over the Wayfarer PY!)
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