New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: RS aero
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

RS aero

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 127128129130131 141>
Author
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8956
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: RS aero
    Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 7:32pm
And will almost never work on a small lake as there will be far too many lifts that the people pointing higher will pick up and tack onwhile the others plane off into oblivion.
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
Back to Top
rich96 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 20 Jan 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 596
Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by iiitick

It has always been said that Tasar would plane upwind. On the cards it should, efficient rig, very light wide boat, but we never saw it lake sailing. For us pointing is always king and there is no way of achieving it unless you crack off a few points and miss the mark.


On open water and in decent breeze they do plane upwind and to great effect. Sometimes you would crack off a bit, take off but find that your effective course was little lower that the stuffers ? - more lift off the foils ?

VMG was much better.

It takes proper breeze though
Back to Top
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8956
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 4:23pm
At least the Blaze really does have wings, so you needn't worry about being taken to sued!
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
Back to Top
blaze720 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 28 Sep 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1635
Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 4:03pm
To plane upwind I think you really need a trapeze boat ...

As the obvious alternative and in this Blaze racers fully agree with Red Bull of course .. "you really do need wings" Wink
Back to Top
iiitick View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 04 Jun 14
Location: gb
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 478
Post Options Post Options   Quote iiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 3:19pm
It has always been said that Tasar would plane upwind. On the cards it should, efficient rig, very light wide boat, but we never saw it lake sailing. For us pointing is always king and there is no way of achieving it unless you crack off a few points and miss the mark.
Back to Top
Null View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 May 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 745
Post Options Post Options   Quote Null Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 2:41pm
Again Rupert.  I absolutely agree.
Back to Top
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8956
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 2:30pm
What will really matter once the boats start to race in big fleets is VMG - if you only have to crack off a few degrees to go much faster and get to the mark sooner when it is blowing, then the boat can be said to plane upwind. If you have to crack off onto a fine reach and end up well behind at the top mark, then really it can't be said to do so.

Which doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun when either you aren't racing or you've over stood the mark!
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
Back to Top
Null View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 May 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 745
Post Options Post Options   Quote Null Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by Old Timer

Originally posted by Null

I guess ignoring the sniping for one moment.  It all depends entirely how you define upwind and planing.
 
By some of the examples used above where people talk about freeing off, means that you are reducing your VMG and as such moving closer and closer to a fine reach.  So actually planing upwind can be a very, very broad description.  I certainly wouldnt consider any footing off upwind 'Planing' as even remotely similar to what goes on with high performance boats such as fireballs 505, international 14's.
 
Should be a good thread in its own right. Away from all the sh*t flinging.

To plan upwind I think you really need a trapeze boat ... 
 
FWIW, i actually agree with you.  But i class upwind as beating im guessing you do too.  Perhaps i am being a little old fashion.  But when i see what other people class as planing upwind i consider it fine reaching. 
Back to Top
Old Timer View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 05 Jun 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 370
Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Null

I guess ignoring the sniping for one moment.  It all depends entirely how you define upwind and planing.
 
By some of the examples used above where people talk about freeing off, means that you are reducing your VMG and as such moving closer and closer to a fine reach.  So actually planing upwind can be a very, very broad description.  I certainly wouldnt consider any footing off upwind 'Planing' as even remotely similar to what goes on with high performance boats such as fireballs 505, international 14's.
 
Should be a good thread in its own right. Away from all the sh*t flinging.

To plan upwind I think you really need a trapeze boat ... 
Back to Top
Null View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 May 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 745
Post Options Post Options   Quote Null Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 11:10am
I guess ignoring the sniping for one moment.  It all depends entirely how you define upwind and planing.
 
By some of the examples used above where people talk about freeing off, means that you are reducing your VMG and as such moving closer and closer to a fine reach.  So actually planing upwind can be a very, very broad description.  I certainly wouldnt consider any footing off upwind 'Planing' as even remotely similar to what goes on with high performance boats such as fireballs 505, international 14's.
 
Should be a good thread in its own right. Away from all the sh*t flinging.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 127128129130131 141>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy