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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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And will almost never work on a small lake as there will be far too many lifts that the people pointing higher will pick up and tack onwhile the others plane off into oblivion.
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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On open water and in decent breeze they do plane upwind and to great effect. Sometimes you would crack off a bit, take off but find that your effective course was little lower that the stuffers ? - more lift off the foils ? VMG was much better. It takes proper breeze though |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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At least the Blaze really does have wings, so you needn't worry about being taken to sued!
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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To plane upwind I think you really need a trapeze boat ...
As the obvious alternative and in this Blaze racers fully agree with Red Bull of course .. "you really do need wings" ![]() |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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It has always been said that Tasar would plane upwind. On the cards it should, efficient rig, very light wide boat, but we never saw it lake sailing. For us pointing is always king and there is no way of achieving it unless you crack off a few points and miss the mark.
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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Again Rupert. I absolutely agree.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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What will really matter once the boats start to race in big fleets is VMG - if you only have to crack off a few degrees to go much faster and get to the mark sooner when it is blowing, then the boat can be said to plane upwind. If you have to crack off onto a fine reach and end up well behind at the top mark, then really it can't be said to do so.
Which doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun when either you aren't racing or you've over stood the mark! |
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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FWIW, i actually agree with you. But i class upwind as beating im guessing you do too. Perhaps i am being a little old fashion. But when i see what other people class as planing upwind i consider it fine reaching.
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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To plan upwind I think you really need a trapeze boat ...
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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I guess ignoring the sniping for one moment. It all depends entirely how you define upwind and planing.
By some of the examples used above where people talk about freeing off, means that you are reducing your VMG and as such moving closer and closer to a fine reach. So actually planing upwind can be a very, very broad description. I certainly wouldnt consider any footing off upwind 'Planing' as even remotely similar to what goes on with high performance boats such as fireballs 505, international 14's. Should be a good thread in its own right. Away from all the sh*t flinging.
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