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    Posted: 16 Oct 14 at 12:21pm


Looks like something adjustable going on up at the forestay..

Anyway, I quite like the look of it, ticks a lot of my boxes as well with that retracting plate, and not to massive a sail and with a PY around 1080 it's in the ballpark with the Lasers I race against and not too far off Streaker, Solo's as to possibly be achievable if I get it right.

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Originally posted by solutiongirl


Aluminium rigs v carbon rigs? Carbon might be sexier and the latest best toy but it is also more expensive and more vulnerable. Not only would it put up the price of the boat, it would put up the cost of insuring it as well. And not only that, there'd be nothing to stop the boat blowing over the hedge on a windy day... the hull is so light it sometimes feels like the mast is the only thing that holds it down. It's not unheard of for a capsized solution to blow itself upright on a breezy day. Personally I prefer a tin rig as it keeps the price down and I don't have to worry about looking after it in the same sort of way.
 

I would beg to differ. My D-Zero (carbon rig) is not that much more to insure than my Laser was with the same company for the same level of cover.
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Originally posted by jeffers


Originally posted by solutiongirl

Aluminium rigs v carbon rigs? Carbon might be sexier and the latest best toy but it is also more expensive and more vulnerable. Not only would it put up the price of the boat, it would put up the cost of insuring it as well. And not only that, there'd be nothing to stop the boat blowing over the hedge on a windy day... the hull is so light it sometimes feels like the mast is the only thing that holds it down. It's not unheard of for a capsized solution to blow itself upright on a breezy day. Personally I prefer a tin rig as it keeps the price down and I don't have to worry about looking after it in the same sort of way.
 

I would beg to differ. My D-Zero (carbon rig) is not that much more to insure than my Laser was with the same company for the same level of cover.


It does not cost me anymore to insure my boat now it has a carbon mast than it did when it had a aluminium one.
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guys- both your boats haven't built up the same risk profile as others did with carbon masts around the same time the Solution would have taken that decision.  Similarly the price point between a tin and carbon phantom stick was far broader too.  

back in the day- my RS600 was over 300 quid to insure- purely because of the risk profile from carbon masts from broken Angell masts, and also Superspars weren't that reliable.

It stands to reason, nearly a decade on, that carbon masts have improved longevity and with broader application on less extreme boats, prove not to be the great fear they once were from an underwriting POV.


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Originally posted by kneewrecker

guys- both your boats haven't built up the same risk profile as others did with carbon masts around the same time the Solution would have taken that decision.  Similarly the price point between a tin and carbon phantom stick was far broader too.  

back in the day- my RS600 was over 300 quid to insure- purely because of the risk profile from carbon masts from broken Angell masts, and also Superspars weren't that reliable.

It stands to reason, nearly a decade on, that carbon masts have improved longevity and with broader application on less extreme boats, prove not to be the great fear they once were from an underwriting POV.



Correct. Plus you can usually repair a carbon mast rather than have to replace it which is much cheaper.
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The forestay can be let off when going upwind in a breeze to allow the rig to rake and depower; very useful ! Lift the board a bit to keep everything nicely balanced.
There is an Aero at Hickling and so far I have always beat it over the water; I think he uses the 9 rig ?
Dead downwind when it is light the Lasers are quicker as the Solution sail is restricted by the shrouds in how far forward it will go.
Hope this answers some questions
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

guys- both your boats haven't built up the same risk profile as others did with carbon masts around the same time the Solution would have taken that decision.  Similarly the price point between a tin and carbon phantom stick was far broader too.  

back in the day- my RS600 was over 300 quid to insure- purely because of the risk profile from carbon masts from broken Angell masts, and also Superspars weren't that reliable.

It stands to reason, nearly a decade on, that carbon masts have improved longevity and with broader application on less extreme boats, prove not to be the great fear they once were from an underwriting POV.




You are almost making insurance companies sound considerate! Wink
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Originally posted by mangoman

The forestay can be let off when going upwind in a breeze to allow the rig to rake and depower; very useful ! Lift the board a bit to keep everything nicely balanced.
There is an Aero at Hickling and so far I have always beat it over the water; I think he uses the 9 rig ?
Dead downwind when it is light the Lasers are quicker as the Solution sail is restricted by the shrouds in how far forward it will go.
Hope this answers some questions

PY estimate of 1040 for the aero 9 vs 1080 for the solution suggests one sailor is doing something well and the other isn't Confused. The rig on the aero does need kicker as left to its own devices with no kicker it has no real shape, so I expect a lot of leisure sailors will wonder what is wrong! Once you get used to it, it sets well, but leave it slack and you might be overtaken by a mirror.
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Originally posted by mangoman

Dead downwind when it is light the Lasers are quicker as the Solution sail is restricted by the shrouds in how far forward it will go.



As I thought and this would be a major frustration for me.  

I think the absolute best una rig set up is a mast that is set well forward, no shrouds and a centre sheeting system.    When sailing dead down wind in sub planing winds, the boom can be let right out square or beyond with the helm is far enough forward to trim the hull nose down but still behind the mast.

This has a major advantage.   It means, with the centre sheeting system, the helm can grab a mainsheet fall directly off the boom and yank it in 1 : 1 in the pesky puffs that threaten to flip you to windward when sailing deep  by the lee.   

If the boat is designed with the mast too far aft, the helm will be sitting alongside the mast when running and the angle made by the mainsheet to the helms, makes it impossible to yank the boom in.   You then have no choice other than using the deck block and all it's purchases which is too slow.  Or sitting further back which drags the ass of the boat.

Although I like the D Zero rear sheeting for upwind, I intensely dislike the having to pull arm fulls of mainsheet in through the deck block.   It is just too slow.

The boats that fit my likes are the OK, Finn, RS300 and probably the Aero but I've not seen one.


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Take a look at a Lightning too, Boatshed - that is their set up.
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