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    Posted: 25 Sep 14 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

I still have to look hard at Lasers sometimes to tell which is which, and often have to rely on the sail cut/shape of the window.  Aeros have similar cuts/windows, but OK they do have a little number on the sail - if you can read it - it's less than sail-number size.

As all the multi-rig classes seem to stick to the same boom length, the amount of spare boom sticking out from the clew is a (ahem...) clue.
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Does that mean people might get shouty if you let the outhaul off in a 9 or 7?  Smile
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

I just don't get this "not sporting" business.  If I'm out sailing, I want to get the best experience I can, and that wouldn't include being underpowered or overpowered.  Switching rigs would increase my sailing pleasure.  
Certainly, our Laser sailors appreciate the option of switching, and as I say, the PY will adapt to the practice.

Of course you can sail with a big rig or small rig as the mood and wind dictates, and that will increase your sailing pleasure. But you should not then count results from the different rigs (different classes!) as the same entry. As Jimbo says, that is not really any different to switching between a Phantom and a Contender and expecting to count your results as one entry. Even if you used the appropriate handicap for the class that would be unfair. To do so would reduce everyone else's enjoyment and chances of success.
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... But anyone maximising their sailing pleasure with a Phantom and Contender probably wouldn't give an airborn copulation for their series position. MM highlights the main difference- there's no confusing a Phantom with a Contender from the race hut, so you are not reliant on word perfect signing on sheets.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 14 at 8:48pm
What, six pages and none of it would matter one little bit at our Club.
All talk of what's fair and what's not. Big rig, little rig?
All's fair to us.
We have adopted equal points to all helms whatever you sail in a series and same for crews: the points follow the person not the boat.
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Cheque book sailing then?
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Cheque book sailing? What, where did that come from? 

Not where I live in the real world. A Club Comet, juniors in a Topper or crewing for various bods off the slipway, own boat or helping out a mate get a race. All get equal points.


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It is definitely three separate classes at class association events, exactly the same as a laser. 

At your club you can do whatever your club allows.

No confusion here.
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We did the same as you, DD (I introduced it when rear com sailing), but when a couple of people started using it as a pick your boat for the weather thing, rather than a get everyone sailing thing, it all turned a little sour, and the current people in charge decided to change it back. Not sure it was a good move, changing it back, as people will still want to sail various boats for reasons unconnected to winning, and they will be counted as several people again, so meaning very few qualifiers again.
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Originally posted by Rupert

...when a couple of people started using it as a pick your boat for the weather thing, rather than a get everyone sailing thing, it all turned a little sour

Yes, its difficult... One sailor knocked up 6 different classes n our Wednesday series this year which as its dual scored for personal handicaps is a nightmare for me! He's definitely picking boats for the weather but as its mainly a case of borrowing an RS200 when its too windy for his young crew to manage the 400 kite you really don't want to discourage it. The same applies to people jumping into singlehanders if their crew is unavailable.
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