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    Posted: 25 Sep 14 at 12:52pm
They will have to race them as 3 classes too. Can you imagine telling a kid that his handicap is 1020 in a 5 because his 100kg dad uses the boat with that sail in a force 6, but a 9 in a force 2?
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Well, I guess with Laser being the obvious model, each rig would constitute a different fleet. Otherwise you'd have the situation where those at the lighter end of the weight spectrum are invested with the advantage of changing sails to suit the breeze. Those at the heavier end wouldn't benefit at any time from opting for a smaller sail. The racing would soon become perceived as unfairly biased towards lightweights and in a society where people-size is on the up, not a good move really!
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Is it three classes or one?

Didn't we have this discussion with the RS100?
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Originally posted by Jeepers

At class events you'll probably have to declare which rig beforehand and have to stick with it. So I don't really see a huge benefit in having different sail sizes for different wind strengths in terms of those who would race their boats in a reasonably serious fashion. Most, I would suspect, would aim to develop their expertise using the same sail across the wind range.

I think quite a few people couldn't care one jot for their 'series position'- club series results are usually reserved for the single, divorced or soon-to-be-divorced-but-don't-know-it-yet folks who sail week in, week out.  When you can get half way up the club series with a collection of last places rather than DNCs, it rather makes a mockery of the series concept for us time-poor, mid-fleet on a good day sailors.

So if I bought an Aero, I would buy the 7 and 9 and I choose the rig on the day.  If it was an Aero 7 day I'd probably just be f*cked off that I forgot my windsurfing kit tbh....
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It's not about 'winning' or 'trophies' it's about goal seeking and improvement and not being constantly publicised as achieving none of that in local newspapers.. In my case.

As to which where, I'm sure on waters with reasonable launch facilities they'd be both equally at home, but in my circumstance the Aero will be an easier launch recovery than the Zero, not least given one will want to carry them out of the water to the trailer, and the Zero has that little dongle bit that would worry me coming into beach contact.
Why not the Aero on the lake as one boat does it all? I couldn't choose which rig and tbh the big rig felt the most powerful thing I've ever used, it has quite a kick to it even in fairly light conditions so the allround nature of the 8.1 Zero rig appealed plus it is an unbelievable rig to tune. The Aero 7 would be OK on the sea where the wind is more constant and we don't really race in wind that will not overcome the tide.

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Funny, I'd have said that having 3 rigs would mean that once small people are overpowered with the 9, heavy people are always going to be able to use a larger rig, right to the point where they are down to a 5 and the lightweights are blown off the water.

I suspect both scenarios can be true at different times.
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I really hope they don't allow you to choose your rig on the day! As has been said that automatically makes it a lightweights boat. You should pick your rig and stick to it.

As a club we recognise the problem with Lasers. Fortunately, for most of our series people just stick to one rig. If too many chopped and changed we would have to create a new PY for them.
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Originally posted by rb_stretch

You should pick your rig and stick to it.

Why should you?  Why would you reduce your pleasure from sailing a boat by being grossly over or under-powered when there's a viable solution to that isse?  It's a free market... anyone can go and buy one if they choose too if it's seen as that much of a benefit.  Sure, the results guys can record separate entries on the overall series if they want- probably a blessing actually, given it would make the series look more popular than it is from the glancing prospective member.

One of things Mike's done with the Halo/Blaze is make that a real contender in my eyes- the ability to change the rig to suit the conditions.  If you want one design racing buy a boat that's been purposefully designed for that- e.g. a Laser, or dare I say, a Devoti Zero (although they're bevearing away on a skinny rig)


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Originally posted by Rupert

Can you imagine telling a kid that his handicap is 1020 in a 5 because his 100kg dad uses the boat with that sail in a force 6, but a 9 in a force 2?


Not everyone at every club will do it, of course, but at liberal WSC you can chop and change Laser rigs at will. At my old club I certainly used a 4.7 on blowy days when the Radial felt a bit too much. If the results are fed back as they are every week at WSC, then it will certainly have an impact on the PY, albeit small, maybe.

Something you might want to consider if you buy an Aero, Grumph, tho' I bet you'd use all the rigs to advantage too Trouble is, you don't always get it right on the day - the wind rises or drops unexpectedly - another source of irritation.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 14 at 2:56pm
I have enough trouble with the EPS, my upper limit has improved, but it's still sub 15 knots, not much I can seem to do with that 9.4, but then I wouldn't have expected to do it on a windsurf rig either where you can at least depower it, hall it over further to windward. It also has a small sail, I've got one, used it once, it was total pants, not having the right mast which they say is a new lower section so I can't see how that would improve much, what's needed with a smaller sail for me is a 'twistier' off top.

So what it gets down to for us lightweights I guess if we must single handed, it has to be with a sail geared to stronger wind, hence my assumption that however small it sounds, the 7.4 would be an optimum one size fits all. Now I haven't used it, I've raced against one with a Europe capable girl rocking it and made very little headway against her with a Zero and an 8.1 (gained a bit upwind, lost it all off wind).

Which was why I was always interested in a boat that had a kite to pick up what a small sail lost on the upwind leg.

Has anyone ever put a sym kite on a single hander?
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