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    Posted: 25 Sep 14 at 12:09pm
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 I also dont beleive that removing all of the static weight from a boat makes it a better boat to sail, to me it makes things more difficult to handle.  Both on water and on trolley.

Oh yes, lighter boats blowing off trollies - that's something I would have thought someone would have mentioned on the Aero thread by now.

It's certainly a concern, as I discovered when my V3k blew off the trolley with just the jib up, even at ca. 75kg all-up weight. The L3k with its extra 25kg would not have done that. Doesn't put me off the V3k, but it's something else to watch out for.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Oh yes, lighter boats blowing off trollies - that's something I would have thought someone would have mentioned on the Aero thread by now.

With a gunwhale hung trolley?
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Oh yes, lighter boats blowing off trollies - that's something I would have thought someone would have mentioned on the Aero thread by now.

With a gunwhale hung trolley?

Yep, I have seen a Laser blown of it's gunwhale hung trolley beforehand and have seen plenty of mishaps with various classes at launch time where people seem to forget rigging 101 (boat head to wind(if possible).....
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Oh sure, with sufficient carelessness anything can get blown off. But a light boat on a gunwhale hung trolley ain't going to blow off any more easily than a heavier boat on a low cradle.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Oh yes, lighter boats blowing off trollies - that's something I would have thought someone would have mentioned on the Aero thread by now.

With a gunwhale hung trolley?

one of my criticisms of very light boats is that they always capsize when left for 5 seconds unattended to dash the trolley into the shallows.  I don't always want to go dinghy sailing and deal with a muddy headboard just from launching.  

I remember back in the day of estuary sailing, we would use an (illegal) snapshackle on our outhauls for Lasers, tie them up with the clew flapping to a mooring buoy and take our trolleys up above the high water line.  The whole process could take 5 minutes or so, but as the boat wasn't capsized (or rarely capsized anyway) it was no drama.   

I wouldn't want to do that with an RS100.
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My reason for buying a D Zero was because speaking to Dan I know how much attention has gone in to the design, from a pure quality of sailing perspective. And it looks good, is very low hassle and the price was great.

Inspired by Dan's Punk, I had been considering building my own boat and Dan was generous enough to share much of what he learned from the Punk development.

The mast bend, for example, was carefully designed and engineered to be similar to that of a contemporary OK or Finn, but modified for the extra leech tension from the square top sail. The underwater hull shape is not based on what is easily built from sheets of ply or pre-fab composite, but is based on a smooth curve of areas and good all-weather hydrodynamics.   Coupled with Dan's proven ability to get the best out of a Laser, it seemed to me that the Punk was a very carefully and well designed craft, and the Zero builds further on that, with the added benefit of Devoti's quality and experience.

The Aero has some neat touches - the built in bottle holder, the laminated in calibration marks, the fancy foil edges etc, but rightly or wrongly I didn't imagine that the mast was carefully designed so much as made to a price, and the hull based upon minimum weight perhaps at the expense of optimum shape.

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Yes, gunwale-hung trolley.

I should tie the boat onto the trolley by the gunwale supports, I suppose, but instead, being idle and in a hurry (why do I leave it so late to rig?) I watch the wind direction carefully and get an uneasy feeling as I leave the boat park.
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Originally posted by Peaky

 and the hull based upon minimum weight perhaps at the expense of optimum shape.

I take issue with that point Peaky- the hull is based an optimum commercial shape.  I'd like to see you triple stack three Aeros with only a foam lining between them.  And more crucially, I bet RS can squeeze more Aeros in a 40 foot container than Rodney can Zeros.  RS claim over 30 units.... with the obvious green credential claim that comes with shipping containers of carbon infused plastic around the world.

Stacking system

The RS Aero is designed to stack – the hull above sits perfectly into the deck below.

This allows three boats to be stacked on a conventional road trailer base with small carpet- type pads between them – double and triple trailers are unnecessary. Efficient stacking allows over 30 boats to be loaded into a 40’ shipping container – minimising freight cost and carbon footprint in transport to dealers or regattas.

    


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...optimum *hydrodynamic* shape.

When sailing I don't care how many units someone can stack in a container. I care about handling, feel, quality etc.

The ability to stack like that may keep costs down, but that doesn't seem to have tranlated into especially significant price savings.

I may have missed your irony in my haste!

Edited by Peaky - 25 Sep 14 at 2:09pm
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Originally posted by Peaky

I may have missed your irony in my haste!

as someone said on the other thread....

'should have gone to specsavers...'  LOL
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