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    Posted: 24 Sep 14 at 8:36am
Frensham is an ocean compared to where I sail.
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Are there any pictures of the new Halo rig?

Hi Toby - Will be sorted very soon.  The fact is all the production Halo2 sails we pre-ordered was sold in 48 hours of announcement and were delivered/shipped on arrival.  Yes - there was a fair bit of latent demand out there ... we underestimated.

But hopefully will have another one at least for initial 'on-the-water' shots this weekend.   It would have been a bit hard on someone if we had kept one back and waiting for marketing type 'sun n wind'.

In the meantime I'll trawl through the R&D images and see what is presentable..  We've got some nice Fire ones at least.

Mike L.

One a seperate subject - I've sailed a Blaze a couple of times in the Frensham Frenzy.  No problem and it is a great club (but I do generally prefer larger waters personally).  Don't see any reason why the larger Halo2 with its acceleration could not work as well. 

The key I think is the switch to 'off boom' sheeting with the Blaze/Halo/Fire hull (in fact it is an option)- It allows the crew to tack with their weight much further forward.  The old centremain system was OK but forced the crew back down the boat making tacking a fair bit slower as you could depress the stern - especially if you were of a generous size !   This single change makes the hull much more suited to these smaller waters now - the 'sacrifice' involved with each  tack is today token at worst.   There are other real advantages but this one was a key one.


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Originally posted by Kev M

I aail at Foremark reservoir south of Derby. I thought it was a fairly big puddle and have contemplatd an RS100 in the future after reading Clive's comments about how they're not that bad to sail inland. That was until I went on google maps and realised that Frensham "pond" where he sails is anything but a pond and four times the size of Foremark.

Nice RS100 for sale at Combs...not far away. Both rigs.....

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Originally posted by Blue One

Frensham is an ocean compared to where I sail.


All I ever remember of Frensham is weed, weed, weed and more weed....


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Originally posted by Roger

Originally posted by Blue One

Frensham is an ocean compared to where I sail.


All I ever remember of Frensham is weed, weed, weed and more weed....



It is also a strange shape, almost triangular with the club being right at the windward end under all the trees. Nice and open down the bottom end though. Never sailed there but did walk round it.
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I had a look at their results not long ago, wondering how Clive and I note Nick Craig did so well in assym single handers, it would have to be big enough for them to use their kites to advantage, and or the big sail on the RS100, that small sail would fall prey to anyone half decent in a Laser.

When are we going to hear about or see pictures of the 'Fire' after it's recent overall victory at the Round Island race?

I'm not sure which I'm more mad about, one boat being overly handicap advantaged or the other being overly disadvantaged, why can't folk just go in the middle and shoot for a fair figure?
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Both shots with late prototype 'Fire' sails - so effectively production ones.   The default Fire sail material is however the same stuff as we use for Blaze, Halo2, Blaze and Icon - but if you like the darker stuff it can be supplied for Fire - it makes not a jot of difference  - unless you like it.

We and the CA are talking with Y&Y and others about formal reviews of Fire .... and will be providing 2 boats - one a regular full width Blaze with Fire sail and the second a rather lightweight and 'special' Fire ... with fixed narrower wings.   It is also being suggested that whoever reviews it (probably at Lymington btw) is also accompanied by another tester .... someone from the demographic Fire is primarily targetted at ..... female, very lightweight, young or old(er).       

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I am guessing 806 is the 'Fire'sail despite having Blaze written on it.....
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I am guessing 806 is the 'Fire' sail despite having Blaze written on it.....

Yup – Blaze logo was used initially during the course of R&D ....  anyway the Fire sail is 1.6m (15%) smaller than the Blaze sails around it.  If you look closely you will see it is 'short' on the boom as most of the reduction came from the back of the sail. 

This helps greatly to produce low sheet loads - the objective is for the sail to mostly appeal to those with less upper body strength ... as said before, young(er), Old(er), light(er) and females.   Keeping the luff length works well and ‘Fire’ is very very 'easy' without too much of a pace compromise... and certainly not by 15%. 


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Originally posted by blaze720

Keeping the luff length works well and ‘Fire’ is very very 'easy' without too much of a pace compromise... and certainly not by 15%.  

Speed is anything but directly related to sail area.  Even in very light airs when wave drag would be minimal it would not be more than the square root of the sail area.

I could imagine that with the Fire sail being higher aspect ratio, so maybe having a better lift/drag ratio, and getting overpowered later, that it might even be quicker upwind for a given helm in strong winds, although you'd likely miss the area off-wind.
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