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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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I agree mate and to be honest the rest of the Zero fleet are fairly pragmatic about it all. I am still not sure we have heard the full story from Graeme. As to you position, totally the right thing to do. The additional benefit of early adopter discount is...well kind of a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. I would rather hold onto my money wait to see how things pan out for the class and pay a little more for a newer sail number then have a boat sat in a paddock next to the wifes horses smelling of piss and sh*t for a year or two.
as to the whole PY debate for the *ero's it really is a moot point (amazingly after 20 pages) Until we see some return data. FYI i am only happy for LTSC to keep filling out returns of 1050 for the Zero Simon!! Bowmoor are sailing the Aero 9 off 1020 JFYI
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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Love this photo, sure perspective has some play on things, but look at the size difference between the Zero and Halo rigs! Wow
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Ha, ha! Pictures 22 and 23 - conclusive proof of how quick Albacores are downwind... Edited by Steve411 - 22 Sep 14 at 10:12am |
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Simon Lovesey ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
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I have formatted the results a bit better - they came off a spreadsheet and all they show is finishing positions as recorded by RCYC
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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The simple fact is that 'your' choice of boat, whatever that
may, will not substantially change over time. However the handicap that
is applied to it can and will change. But this perhaps unintended (if now institutionalised) bias is what we do face today. So DON'T avoid any decent (mostly) modern boats simply because they have to face a period of PN 'pain' would be my own suggestion. I'd rather be idealistic about what I sail than be idealistic about its handicap number.... and just maybe then start lobbying for a change in handicapping that ‘levels’ the field by weighting the results from the FRONT of every single class ... in other words is biased towards the potential of boats universally for all classes rather than the far less useful crude average. Mike L |
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rodney ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 915 |
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Look at the size difference between the Zero and Mirror rigs! ![]() |
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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I think that is what the Great Lakes numbers attempt to do, isn't it Mike (look at potential rather than average)? |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Love this photo, sure perspective has some play on things, but look at the size difference between the Zero and Halo rigs! Wow
Null .... If you stood the respective helms next to the rigs in play you might actually find the ratios were not dissimilar at all. Matt (in the Halo) would possibly need 2 x Zeros (one for each foot !). (The weight difference between say Matt and Dan/Peter is about the all up weight of at least an Aero and even possibly a Zero !) I also think you lot may have been watching just too many episodes involving 'Craggy Island' - keep taking the tablets ! ![]() Mike L. Edited by blaze720 - 22 Sep 14 at 10:51am |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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I think that is what the Great Lakes numbers attempt to do, isn't it Mike (look at potential rather than average)? Hi Steve Exactly - but they only factor the published 'official' PN's with their analysis ... you can be pulled up or down relative to the 'official' PN. This is a good half-way house but many of us would like to see a proper overhaul of handicapping and much more weight given to the results of the Sailjuice series type events etc. Averaging of a very large but less than appropriate sample arguably, as with the PN does not do the full job required - the core 'average' stuff is still buried in there ! Sample size in itself does not measure potential. But the PN 'ice' is cracked by the GL approach ... and its use is spreading really quite fast. Let there be bolder moves forward in the future. Mike L. Edited by blaze720 - 22 Sep 14 at 11:02am |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Just you perhaps. Its funny this enthusiasm for droopy booms. Aerodynamically and (especially in a singlehander) ergonomically its a nonsense of course, but we're all so used to looking at boats with drooping booms on older classes because the mast rake used now is so much greater than that the rigs were designed for. Butits amazing the extent to which what we are used to defined what we regard as good looking. |
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