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L123456 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Apr 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 500 |
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... and we end up with 100 different PYs all over the UK ... this is a situation screaming for centeralised leadership. That graph Peaky shared a while back seemed a pretty fair predictor ...
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' faster than Laser, slower than Supernova.' Er, both new boats are faster than a Nova which sails off 1070. Lovely boat the Supernova.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Not if the rest of the cacophony of dinghies are racing on averagely calculated numbers they don't.... The
situation as currently stands is simple- if you are really, really
fussed about whatever unofficial number you can get someone to agree to
in the short term, DO NOT BUY a newly released dinghy. The
RYA are the only organisation that could offer a pre-EN, but the
question is, should they? At present the system is 100% based on actual
race returns. If they start issuing ENs before they get the data, then
all the 'gerrymandering' and commercial bias type accusations start to
gain some basis for rational consideration... even if the guys do their
level best to remain impartial.
1)Hence the suggestion that new classes accept they are excluded from the chocolates for a while .. at least until there are at least 250+ races being considered. 2) Agree on not buying ANY boat based on its apparent or inital handicap number.... of course ! 3) I beg to differ on the RYA being the only org. suited to or capable of developing an alternative number system.... er well lets think ? GL for a start maybe ? Their derived approach is already more widely used .. outside of routine club racing that is ... nearly ALL larger handicap events already plus use of the GL numbers is gathering momentum within Summer 'sailing weeks'. 4) We already have accusations of bias and 'vested interest' thrown around at new class competitors and producers already .... So the assessments of some individual and organisations is OK to knock ? ... yet our 'national authority' still seems disinterested and is 'above it all' even when still proposing numbers based on minute sample sizes ? Oh yes do remember the CA's do pay for that service as well btw.. you don't get an EN without RYA affiliation and you get NOTHING prior to that not even relevent guidance or involvement - or in my experience even replies to reasonable email queries or phone messages left. The GL handicappers and Sailjuice in contrast gave us something to try early on and were always very supportive - not because we paid anything more than regular entry fees - but because they want to see the Sailjuice events grow and to ensure good quality racing. If you have not raced under this sytem by now .. get out there this winter ! Mike L. Edited by blaze720 - 19 Sep 14 at 2:53pm |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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at present my current sail racing toy is not welcome at most of the SJ series iirc... Draycote Dash is the only only exception I think.
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James - and what is your latest toy ? Dates for GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series Launched yesterday at Boat Show, with online entry opening early October when eligibility of classes will be confirmed |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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it's a Kona Windsurfer mate, but to be fair don't go to any effort to include it for me... if I had the free time for winter sailing this winter I'd be bleating like a bitch about my 'heinous' D-Zero GL handicap like the rest of them...
... or alternatively taking the pragmatic view and hoping to meet a Rooster 8.1, some RS Aeros and fellow D-Zero sailors to have a good shakedown race with. edit: for any google searches that find this post in the future, my old Kona One ran of 1080, which was damn hard to sail to as a complete muppet windsurfer.
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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Having read a lot of this and looking back on how wonderful the 100 was going to be then someone now thinks its awful because he could not sail it Rodney should be singing from the hilltops and cuddling Mr Fullers non refundable deposit.
Cancelling a boat when it ready for collecting is in my opinion dreadful and in his business I am sure he would be very unhappy if someone had ordered a £5k item and cancelled it in the same way. |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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Fortunately Rodney will find someone further down the list who has just had his or her Friday afternoon blues very much lifted....
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I wonder how Nathan Batchelor is going to enter the Sailjuice series in the new Ovington built VX-One (I saw it at Southampton)without a handicap then, someone must issue it.
Meanwhile this caption competition and the phrase 'Gerrymandering what does that mean?' ![]() Spring to mind. Gordon I offered the obvious, either postpone or I'll buy then sell it, before it devalues further being the logic that is no sleight on the boat which remains an excellent craft, I am not however going to be a victim of this pathetic system nor part in furthering it maybe I'll buy a minisail and gun belt instead. Edited by iGRF - 19 Sep 14 at 3:35pm |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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oh dear, IMPO, if we all raced the boats we have to just win stuff at our clubs, what a boring sad little place this would be.... like the fanboy posting and sl*gging off other classes, these boards need a bit of shakeup, it's supposed to be "dinghy development".
I suppose one could argue GRF's cancellation is a development for the DZero, but probably, given the RS100 "history" one in which Rodney is now smiling very broadly and pleased to not be getting drawn into online debates about how "failed the design is because so-and-so with a xxxxx at my club still beats me".
I'd rather hear from new Zero owners about how they're finding the boat, it's design and racing it than reading off-piste rants about the PY system (done to death already IMO elsewhere). How does it point, what's it like turning corners, are you sprightly and fresh after a long beat, or utterly shagged-out and happy to just let go the main and slump in the bottom? |
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