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    Posted: 19 Sep 14 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by Slooow

You should all buy D-One's and stop d1cking around
 
It's a proper bandit................

Its no bandit, its just brilliant.....
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Has there actually been a class of dinghy called the Bandit? I can't think of one.
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Yes the Merlin Rocket, thinking of buying one :-)
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RS Bandit?
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Originally posted by Slooow

You should all buy D-One's and stop d1cking around
 
It's a proper bandit................

except some idiot designed it for humans with three arms....  LOL
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Originally posted by blaze720

What everyone wants to know is POTENTIAL OF THE BOAT ... and far far less about the cobbled 'average' performance of any class with minute sample sizes ...

Not if the rest of the cacophony of dinghies are racing on averagely calculated numbers they don't....  

The situation as currently stands is simple- if you are really, really fussed about whatever unofficial number you can get someone to agree to in the short term, DO NOT BUY a newly released dinghy.  

The RYA are the only organisation that could offer a pre-EN, but the question is, should they?  At present the system is 100% based on actual race returns. If they start issuing ENs before they get the data, then all the 'gerrymandering' and commercial bias type accusations start to gain some basis for rational consideration... even if the guys do their level best to remain impartial.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Originally posted by Slooow

You should all buy D-One's and stop d1cking around
 
It's a proper bandit................

Its no bandit, its just brilliant.....

They are nice, having had a quick play in one I liked it a lot aside from the sheet loads which I felt were very heavy...
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Thunder Road

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Bas Edmonds

 
The numbers published by the RYA for each class are offered to the clubs to be able run mixed class racing - 

So what should clubs do with new classes which have no returns to support a figure?

The RYA should issue a temp. figure and adjust later as returns build, just like they have always done. that's why we pay our RYA membership.

Agreed ... so what are the RYA temp figures?

The RYA PY Guidance notes covers this guys. Clubs should allocate a Trial Number (note CLUBS not the RYA, Designer or Manufacturer).


Yeah right; so loads of clubs the length and breadth of the country with no specialist skills have to solve the same problem whilst the governing body staffed with experts sits on its hands ... 
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I must be simple here....well I am simple (unlike most of you). I have seen D Zero, liked it, made an estimate of where it would figure in the performance spectrum, faster than Laser, slower than Supernova. If I was in the market for a new boat I would have ordered one and spent a year or so learning how to sail it by which time a more accurate PY would be sorted out. Simple. If I was dissatisfied with this I would bung the boat on it's trailer and go in search of other D Zero's to race against. I certainly would not cancel my order because some hypothetical initial number had been randomly calculated. At a small club like ours the same sailors usually win and they win on merit not advantageous PY. Our Phantom sailors are grumbling and one of them is considering jumping ship to Nova.....don't do that lad, just sail better!

Is it really worth spending x grand on a new boat in order to beat your mates on a Sunday afternoon prior to the pub? If it is and if you enjoy that boat just get on and enjoy it.

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Originally posted by L123456

Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Thunder Road

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Bas Edmonds

 
The numbers published by the RYA for each class are offered to the clubs to be able run mixed class racing - 

So what should clubs do with new classes which have no returns to support a figure?

The RYA should issue a temp. figure and adjust later as returns build, just like they have always done. that's why we pay our RYA membership.

Agreed ... so what are the RYA temp figures?

The RYA PY Guidance notes covers this guys. Clubs should allocate a Trial Number (note CLUBS not the RYA, Designer or Manufacturer).


Yeah right; so loads of clubs the length and breadth of the country with no specialist skills have to solve the same problem whilst the governing body staffed with experts sits on its hands ... 

What expert skills are required? I am no expert at all, I simply suggested a single hander with a similar sail area (and one I had sailed extensively in the past so relative performances could be judged) that could be used as a starting point. 

So far it does not look to be too far wrong......

I have also shared my 'suggestion' to members of other clubs who have asked for my opinion. I am not sure what their experiences are so far though.
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