Is the Cadet finished?

   Talking of clubs, do people in your boat park tend to say "what they should do about...[this or that]" or do they say "what we should do about..."?  I reckon it's a good measure as to how things are working.  Sometimes even a brilliant committee can be a victim of its own success.
That was another thing I noticed in Germany - they would use "we" when talking down the pub, where we tend to use "they" (meaning the govt., the council, whoever)

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Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Is the Cadet finished? Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 1:11pm
	Talking of clubs, do people in your boat park tend to say "what they should do about...[this or that]" or do they say "what we should do about..."? I reckon it's a good measure as to how things are working. Sometimes even a brilliant committee can be a victim of its own success. That was another thing I noticed in Germany - they would use "we" when talking down the pub, where we tend to use "they" (meaning the govt., the council, whoever)
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Noah Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Noah Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 2:03pm
	KW "... It wasn't that long ago when 'occupation' was still a field on a membership form." Maybe I'm just naive but I assumed that was so the organisation knew what skills you might bring, not so you could be blackballed. After all, who would put the honest answer if a con artist, diamond thief or fraudster (and how many MP's are members of sailing / yacht clubs) ??
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 2:14pm
	Yes, we still ask - but people don't have to answer! Useful when looking for someone to do the club accounts, for instance, or rebuild the jetties. I do like the idea of blackballing people, though - "the man is a grocer, for goodness sake, we can't allow that sort of riffraff in". Anyone tell me who that might have been said about?
	Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686

iwsmithuk Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 28 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141	Post Options Post Reply Quote iwsmithuk Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 3:25pm
	Thomas Lipton. Multiple America's Cup challenger although I don't think he ever won did he?

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 3:56pm
	Those really were the days if you wanted snobbery in sailing. Mind, I suspect there were more professionals making a small living from yacht racing back then, in between hauling nets.
	Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686

patj Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 16 Jul 04 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 643	Post Options Post Reply Quote patj Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 14 at 8:49am
	Many people have been making a meagre living from yachts for many years - my Brightlingsea born great grandmother's marriage certificate from the 1890s records her father's occupation as "Yachtsman"! No, they were not rich, the daughter was in service and he was a paid hand so it should have been written "Yacht's man". A daughter of the marriage then married a local boat builder so still earned from yachts. It took my OH ten months to join the puddle sailing club because membership applications had to go before the committee and that was in 1998. At the time he was a pub landlord. This century we let them in as soon as they've handed over the money! Edited by patj - 13 Sep 14 at 8:52am

gordon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 14 at 9:30am
	There is a story here in Dun Laoghaire - it may be a quayside urban myth - that at least one of the very respectable waterfront club had a rule that candidate members had to have lunch with the membership secretary. The invitation was always for Friday lunch, and the menu was always pork! At cunning but not exactly subtle method of filtering members. Nowadays the €1500 membership fee is as effective a filter.
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rich96 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596	Post Options Post Reply Quote rich96 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 14 at 9:45am
	Back on thread: Its a real shame if these (and similar) proper little boats are suffering. Small manageable boats serve a real purpose in teaching youngsters about the details of trim, sail controls but probably, most importantly, - how to race (tactics, gear changing, etc etc) Time and gain you will see some young sailors racing around on a assymetric looking great - until a race begins. Then its capsize, wrong way etc etc. Of course it depends what they want - to be good sailors/racers or just to zoom around ? Its notable that most of our top sailors came from classes that perhaps the youth of today would consider a bit dull ?. But these boats allow you to sail looking out of the boat i.e not just worrying about being upside down or racing off with the assymetric up. If I was 15 I'm sure my head would be turned towards the more 'modern' classes but would they serve me as wellk as the times spent in mirrors, toppers, ents etc ?

sargesail Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459	Post Options Post Reply Quote sargesail Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 14 at 9:21pm
	Good post Rich 96. I'd also add that slower boats tend to emphasise tactical gains over boatspeeg gains - a good thing. I love assym sailing in the 2000 and the J111, but I really miss running deep in J24s.

gordon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 14 at 10:45am
	Some old designs still attract large numbers world wide: Finn, Star, Snipe, Dragon...whilst the Firefly remains the boat for team racing. In their category they provide close tactical racing in which every detail counts. Boat speed alone cannot win races. Many(most) sailors prefer nautical chess to wind powered drag racing! Gordon
	Gordon