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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Well said. |
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Simon Lovesey ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
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Yes some excellent points, the sport should be doing all it can to get more afloat, but most of the data points to falling participation. Allowing pumping in dinghy racing is spreading, the 420s changed the rules not many years ago to allow pumping in over 13kts, little evidence of an increase in participation numbers, quite the reverse. |
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the 420s changed the rules not many years ago to allow pumping in over 13kts
Yes and I believe the Finns do something similar on occasion. It is the thin edge of the wedge this sort of stuff..... eventually you get sail designs that 'pump' better than regular sails and so on and 'brawn' becomes more important than 'brain' when racing pretty quickly. After mid30's forget it. Don't get me wrong as you need to be fit anyway but 'air rowing' is surely not what this sort is about.... with respect if you like that sort of thing then why not do it for real ... 'proper rowing' that is with oars. A great sport in itself but not what 'sailing' is really about is it !? Just think about it .. a 'starboard' boat hails you and speeds up their pumping to push the point home... and the next word is of course 'protest' - the future ? Yes be very careful what you wish for .. and vote for. Mike L. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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A bit late to talk about banning pumping when our Knighted Gold Medallist got there by pumping better than everyone else.
It's not easy on a dinghy, nor as effective as a sailboard because you can't 'stir' the rig to ensure constant airflow, the action is 'in' then wait then 'in' again obviously with a sit down rock to aid the 'in' stroke, whereas on a board as well as the in out movement, you can scoop fill, row, scoop fill row, then there is side to side row- gybe-row dead down wind, I wish I could have figured how to do it on that Icon down wind on saturday. These aren't issues preventing access to the sport, the biggest preventer is lack of product sales points and training adults to use them, we have two new members both want boats and if someone doesn't close a deal with them before the summers over that'll be it we'll lose them. Boats should have a margin to enable dealers to profit by their sale, which means you lot should pay more for them, like that's ever going to happen, so it then falls to clubs to muddle along trying to attract members, fighting the weather, trying to explain about the boat they used at Club Mark Warner and why they won't be able to lift it. Or here's a wild idea, you incentivise clubs to 'sell' boats and bits it could be done online as part of an affiliate scheme, but there needs to be finance packages, 0% deals, trade ins, all the paraphanalia of modern retailing if you want more numbers and you've got to stop this stupid infatuation with old dross and wood, out here in the real world y'all look like eccentric anachronisms, or stay as you are and quit wondering why you're a dying breed. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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This is why clubs should provide more boats for hire. It certainly has proved its worth at Hunts.
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the same, but different...
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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which is great if you've got some 'mug' willing to maintain them for free
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Clywedog seem to run a scheme (I was reading about it on their notice board, so no 1st hand knowledge) where you can hire a boat for x length of time (3, 3 month hire periods, I think)with the option to buy at the end. Can't remember the ins and outs, but I think it was £100 a month, and if you didn't want it, the next person would do the same but owe £300 less at the end if THEY wanted to buy it. Might have got that a little wrong, but something along those lines.
Quite agree that it is odd that you can't buy many (any?) boats off the shelf new. I'd expect to wait if getting a hand crafted Solo, but not if buying a standard FRP one - not more than the time it tales to fit it out, anyway. Is this the case? Only using Solos because they are popular, but have a choice of builders and methods. Can you buy a boat from RS with no waiting, apart from the small rotomoulds? |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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You can't buy anything worth having without waiting a lifetime, well at least well past the point that the impulse purchase decision is well faded and been replaced by white goods, furniture or other unnecessary domestic considerations weigh in.
On another tack, getting back to the handicap discussion that kicked this off have any of you ever had a good luck at This obviously being French they're totally wrong and we brits are right, but it does make some interesting reading.. Haven't managed to find any planchistes yet, but I keep looking. Edited by iGRF - 03 Sep 14 at 10:26am |
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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Any significant purchase these days is normally build-to-order, unless you want to buy what's in the showroom. If you buy a car it can be configured in all sorts of different ways - not least the colour! Stock was taken out of the furniture supply chain years ago because of the costs involved in holding it. Some of the 'sheds' are moving back to a quicker delivery timeframe, but whether this is because they can make it quicker or they're holding stock somewhere I don't know. Boats are not - necessarily - standard fit-out. Most OD (not SMOD) are build-to-order because customers want to choose the hull/deck colour, fittings layout and supplier, etc, etc, etc. The things are just too big to hold stock. Rooster tried to resolve this with the 'nesting' hulls and decks idea making good use of container space to ship from a cheap manufacturing location but look where that went. He's a savvy businessman, so the fact that it was never brought to market indicates to me that there was no market for it - or at least not a big enough one to make it worthwhile.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Colour? If you want it now, it is grey. Most people seem to want it anyway, so they can cheat on the start line and not get caught. Fit out? Have the hull there, do the fit out after the order comes in, ship it out 48 hours later. OK, if you get more orders than you have boats in stock, then there must be a delay, and I'd not expect a tiny company to have more than 1 ready to buy, but Laser, RS, Topper, Hartleys? Maybe they do?
If I go to Argos, I can get pretty much anything 5 minutes after I order it. I avoid places like DFS who seem to think ordering in sept and getting it by Christmas is somehow a fast turnaround. A good reason for buying 2nd hand. I go see it, inspect it, take it home if I like it. Simple. |
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