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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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I used to race longboards and short boards back in the late 80s and the problem I identified was that you just could not race effectively unless you pumped liked crazy. In the UK this happened a lot because conditions were often marginal and pumping made a significant difference if you got planing quicker, got clean air etc. Just the starts where enough to wear most people out. So IMHO the necessary pumping is one of the reasons why board racing has never really taken off.
Div II boards did appeal to me as a lot less pumping seemed to go on, but unfortunately they had already died by the time I was thinking about racing them. Wonder if they could ever make a comeback. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Probably a bit of both, Grumph - no boat is a bandit if sailed really badly, but there may be a bit of flattery in there, too.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Coming 9th in the fast handicap in a boat I'd stepped into for the first time only two weeks ago, with a crew I've sailed with once before, in a gusty force 5 to 6 over a 40 mile marathon, beating people who have spent years in these things, I'm not unhappy about that and even happier I appear to still be improving at something, at a time of life where most folk are deteriorating. Or the Icon is a Bandit. It's one of those two. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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No beam to speak of, tin rig, shorter than an Icon. And on a run, a kite doesn't make that much odds - five minutes, maybe. What were you doing?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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A Scorpion is a good sea boat and correct me here but I'm sure they have a kite and a centreboard an excellent boat for that event. A kite would have taken half an hour out of our time maybe more never mind the two minutes they had and at 1042 for a three sail everyone knows they're worse bandits than Merlins, they're just sailed by vegetarians and tree huggers hence the smaller numbers than the alco's in the Merlin class. Neither was she first female helm, Genna was, chiselling banditry as we come to expect from dinghy sailors, I'm surprised you didn't enter a Laser 3k with full North rigout, that's your usual style isn't it? Edited by iGRF - 02 Sep 14 at 1:48pm |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Talking of fair play, sailor of the day award should have gone to that Chipstead Scorpion2005. Not the easiest ride in those conditions by any means. Quicker round the course than Grumph's Icon and with a dagger rudder.
4th overall (no prize), she had to make do with the consolation 'Ladies' prize.
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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I agree it's a 100% cultural Chris- having essentially learned to windsurf inland I am amazed at the learning curve I've been through when it comes to kit choice. I don't think there was anyone else (adult) who regularly sailed a daggerboarded plank.... they'd rather stand around in the shallows, thumbs in their armpits waiting for a 'gust' to get their +20L freeride or freestyle board moving. If folks only have shortboard kit, then it's no surprise there is little interest in course racing...
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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That may just be a cultural/geographical issue rather than something that relates to the type of craft. Lots of our windsurfer racing is based at dinghy clubs, and there is a very big mix of sailors between the two types. I'm not saying this way is better, merely that is is a possibility. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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That's because almost every boat we saw upwind worked the wind and headed to flat water rather than work the middle and stick in the channel where the tide was greatest, and it was choppy with overfalls, although I can't imagine the Alto not spotting that if he/she sails up your river. We only touched once down the bottom and that was because I tried to smart arse around the back of a rescue boat, you could see the water was confused so there would be an obstruction under it. I paid for it upwind with weather helm because the rudder got knocked back. Edited by iGRF - 02 Sep 14 at 12:39pm |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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It's all a matter of degree, and something that varies enormously from club to club, isn't it? There are clubs that race Optis against 49ers and A Class cats on average lap systems. At my club we sometimes have 2.4 Metres racing Lasers. I'd reckon they are no fairer than racing a longboard against a dinghy. A board will not win regardless of skill level, in my experience, because in the winds they may win the guys who can't windsurf spend too much time in the water. From what I've seen at most clubs that have only one or two boards, the boards are the ones that under-perform dramatically and are therefore not much of an issue in terms of upsetting the results. There is also a system where you average the boards and the boats and give the winner to the sailor who out-performs their group the most. Yes, class results are the best but it's all a matter of degree. If I was cloned (a horrible thing for the world, but just to make a point....) I'd probably feel that I would have a better and fairer match if I was on my Raceboard and racing myself on my Canoe, or on my WIndsurfer One Design racing myself on a Laser, than if I was racing the Canoe against the Laser or the Windsurfer against the Raceboard. |
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