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jaydub ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 06 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 267 |
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Certainly hasn't harmed the Fireballs not being selected as an Olympic class.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The Contender is in the situation the 49er would have been in if, after all the trials and viewpoints taken, they had turned around and stuck with the FD. In my view, it puts it closer than all the others you list - they were all near (or far) misses. However, what your list shows is that there is no simple answer - all those boats have fared differently both to each other and to the selected boats. |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Exactly Rupert.......not thought of as a 'girls' boat. It may have been more tactful if you had said, 'ladies and light males boat'. Helms may be small but they pack a vicious scratch!!!
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Lets try and think of some leading contenders and near misses... 470/Fireball is an obvious one. 49er/Laser 5 Tonner/Boss/B14 49erFX/29erXX/RS800 Soling/Etchells what else? |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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So, how would the Contender be as a class if all had gone to plan? That is probably the closest a boat has got to the Olympics without it happening, and without a preexisting class structure.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Another interesting question would be whether the enthusiasm with which classes pursue Olympic status is justified. Trouble is, of course, you never get to find out what would have happened...
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The Radial as an Olympic class was totally logical, apart from maybe for the actual sailing part of things. I thought it the wrong choice at the time, but have come to see that maybe it was a good way of getting hundreds of bums on seats very quickly. Numbers in the Radial seem very strong, and not thought of as a "girl's boat"?
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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I think that is what I was trying to say Rupert, 'sideshow for the class'. I think most classes have their ups and downs and most sailors have whims and preferences. What annoyed me is that when the Europe was scrapped it was replaced by an already aging design rather than an aging hull with a modern rig....you all know what I mean!
The ****c2 could do with a bit of Olympic success even if a curse follows, just at the moment!
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The Olympic curse was that a class would get shedloads of money spent on it, so a mast would set you back more than a whole different boat, have a bunch of pro sailors which no weekend warrior could hope to keep up with sailing it, and so people wouldn't sail it. Oddly, it really appears to be a myth. Far more likely is that the Olympic boats were already big classes elsewhere, and the UK had boats filling that niche already. The 470, huge in France and all over Europe, really, but up against the Fireball here. The Finn big in northern Europe - actually, never really a failure here, just a small market, and the classics are going strong. The Star - huge in the Americas. The Europe - a very complex one, that, I think, and certainly the development expense (and the "sailed by girls thing?) was a problem, but mostly once it ceased to be an Olympic class. The Tempest? Killed by the Star lobby?
420 never an Olympic class? Pretty big everywhere, and still is in less fashion conscious countries. Might be here, too. Not checked. As for the Laser, most owners appear not to care less whether it is in the Olympics. Is really only a sideshow for the class, as far as I can see, and maybe not one that either helps or hinders sales. |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Horses for courses I suppose but I can only re-act to the information I know. That is our own small club and the information on this site......we all know how accurate that is of course!
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