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    Posted: 14 Aug 14 at 1:20am
Originally posted by Chris 249 in Laser Nationals, 26 boats

It's also proof that even the biggest class cannot withstand the Olympic curse, despite what was claimed at the time that the class was selected. 

What are the symptoms, mechanisms, and outcomes of the 'Olympic Curse'?

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  • Stars and Finns,
  • Tempest and Europe
  • 420 and 470.
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I'm not sure it exists really. Boats chosen for the Olympics are usually established classes and three events down the line they are twelve years older and getting tired.There is so much competition for Laser in the real world these days but the Olympics keep it in the public eye.

Symmetric double handers seem in a decline anyway so why not keep the venerable 470. Do they even have a Nationals in GB?

49ers are healthy aren't they?

The only Lasers at our club now are club boats. Everyone prefers Supernova, Phantom, Lightning and Byte. They are just better boats, nothing to do with Olympic curse.

I never saw a Star....ever. Is there an alternative to a Finn? In private hands they are expensive to buy and maintain so not that popular. Is Tempest a cat? Know nothing about them. Of course the Europe was replaced with the Radial, stupid choice when the Byte C2 was available.
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At our club the laser fleet has gone crazy this year.

In a regular handicap fleet of 45 or so we get around 20 lasers.

Men & women, young and old (1 youth, a handful of 20 and 30 something, masters and older), new boats & old boats.

Everyone has someone to have a close battle with, and nobody really gives a toss about PY cos you just enjoy racing the other lasers.

It's great.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 14 at 8:16am
Plenty of Finns and Lasers (and Solos) at Fed Week, but no Bytes, Phantoms, Supernovas or Lightnings.
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Horses for courses I suppose but I can only re-act to the information I know. That is our own small club and the information on this site......we all know how accurate that is of course!
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The Olympic curse was that a class would get shedloads of money spent on it, so a mast would set you back more than a whole different boat, have a bunch of pro sailors which no weekend warrior could hope to keep up with sailing it, and so people wouldn't sail it. Oddly, it really appears to be a myth. Far more likely is that the Olympic boats were already big classes elsewhere, and the UK had boats filling that niche already. The 470, huge in France and all over Europe, really, but up against the Fireball here. The Finn big in northern Europe - actually, never really a failure here, just a small market, and the classics are going strong. The Star - huge in the Americas. The Europe - a very complex one, that, I think, and certainly the development expense (and the "sailed by girls thing?) was a problem, but mostly once it ceased to be an Olympic class. The Tempest? Killed by the Star lobby?

420 never an Olympic class? Pretty big everywhere, and still is in less fashion conscious countries. Might be here, too. Not checked.

As for the Laser, most owners appear not to care less whether it is in the Olympics. Is really only a sideshow for the class, as far as I can see, and maybe not one that either helps or hinders sales.
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I think that is what I was trying to say Rupert, 'sideshow for the class'. I think most classes have their ups and downs and most sailors have whims and preferences. What annoyed me is that when the Europe was scrapped it was replaced by an already aging design rather than an aging hull with a modern rig....you all know what I mean!

The ****c2 could do with a bit of Olympic success even if a curse follows, just at the moment!
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The Radial as an Olympic class was totally logical, apart from maybe for the actual sailing part of things. I thought it the wrong choice at the time, but have come to see that maybe it was a good way of getting hundreds of bums on seats very quickly. Numbers in the Radial seem very strong, and not thought of as a "girl's boat"?
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Another interesting question would be whether the enthusiasm with which classes pursue Olympic status is justified. Trouble is, of course, you never get to find out what would have happened...
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So, how would the Contender be as a class if all had gone to plan? That is probably the closest a boat has got to the Olympics without it happening, and without a preexisting class structure.
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