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    Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by winging it

More Sunfish than lasers in the commonwealth countries?  

ISAF says that there are some 20 Sunfish in the Commonwealth countries; in comparison there are 1600 current members of the UK Laser association alone.

ISAF info indicates that the Commonwealth has more countries with Laser associations than it has individual Sunfish racing. Even if a bunch of Sunfish were missed out of the ISAF figures the trend is still pretty clear.




I always struggle with the the assertion that the Sunfish is so numerous ... I consider myself well travelled and I have only ever seen a few battered examples in the Caribbean and USA.

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Originally posted by winging it

More Sunfish than lasers in the commonwealth countries?  

ISAF says that there are some 20 Sunfish in the Commonwealth countries; in comparison there are 1600 current members of the UK Laser association alone.

ISAF info indicates that the Commonwealth has more countries with Laser associations than it has individual Sunfish racing. Even if a bunch of Sunfish were missed out of the ISAF figures the trend is still pretty clear.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 11:07am
More Sunfish than lasers in the commonwealth countries?  
the same, but different...

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"It's scary to see how few classes are really widespread. The fact that our few widespread classes are so often attacked is even more scary given their rarity. No wonder the sport has some problems when its players can't agree on international rules most of the time."

Well yes. To my mind sailing shouldn't  or cannot really be considered as an Olympic sport at all. Of course the top people have great fitness, skill and intellect. There is just too much equipment involved in the equation to really be able to clearly see the mantra of "higher, faster, stronger". 
I think sailing has closer parallels with motor racing than anything else. Think of the costs from Clubman Bangers to F1 probably not much different and regarding fitness, half tidy people with top skills can get pretty close to bothering the elite group. 

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Originally posted by Chris 249

Double post, apologies



Edited by Chris 249 - 15 Jun 14 at 7:42am
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 2:12am
The Australian-designed Viper F16, second in the most recent ISAF trials IIRC, would be a major candidate for the cat slot.

The Moth doesn't quite qualify, strictly speaking, as it was invented in the USA as well as Australia, and without the spread from the US branch and US/Swiss/French design input, it would not be what it is today.

IMHO offshore yachts, probably the most popular type afloat, should be represented and a course from coastal town to coastal town could allow the inclusion of many areas that would not be part of the Games.

I'd agree with Jim that the Olympic classes should be allowed, giving us;

Mens S/H- Laser - currently sailed in most CW countries where the sport exists and vastly more than any other class bar the Opti?
(if no Olympic classes are allowed, substitute Contender, currently sailed UK, Oz, Can + Scot?)

Womens S/H - Radial (or "Contender Radial?") 

Mens 2H - 'Ball - currently sailed UK, Oz, Canada, South Africa, Scot(?), Kenya (?), Northern Irel (?) Zim (?) formerly sailed NZ; or 505 (Uk, Oz, SA, Can, Zim (?) Scot (?) NI (?))
Womens 2H - 'Ball

Mixed Skiff - 49er/FX - currently sailed UK, Oz, NZ, SA, Scot(?), 

Cat - Viper or Tornado - Viper currently sailed Oz, Sing (?), Uk(?); Tornado Uk, Oz, ??

Keelboat - Flying 15, currently sailed UK, Oz, NZ, SA, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Zim?

Windsurfer - sadly, none of the classes are CW designed. 

Offshore yacht - Farr/Mumm 30, currently sailed UK, Oz, NZ, Can a bit IIRC. Otherwise whatever is strong in the host country ie Sigma 33, Farr 1020.

Team Racing - Ent (Uk, Sri Lanka, SA, India, Scot, NI,) or Tasar (Uk, Oz, Canada, Scot(?)).

It's scary to see how few classes are really widespread. The fact that our few widespread classes are so often attacked is even more scary given their rarity. No wonder the sport has some problems when its players can't agree on international rules most of the time.

PS apologies to the Welsh and others for not including them!




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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 7:56pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Now we're talking! Getting them to Glasgow might cause a few logistical problems, mind.

We could have Bermuda Fitted Dinghies, too.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 7:23pm
Here's your cat class, from Polynesia

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 5:32pm
Now we're talking! Getting them to Glasgow might cause a few logistical problems, mind.

We could have Bermuda Fitted Dinghies, too.


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