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AlexM ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 857 |
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I wouldn’t really say it’s a monster.. no more difficult than a Phantom but like most things you’ve got to work hard to get the most out of it. However upwind the Phantom is much much better, most of the time you are racing 400s but with the 100 it’s just damage limitation. I think the monster tag might have come from the gybing aspect where it was difficult in high winds especially if you were at the lower end of the scale (a gybing strop soon sorted that out) Out of the two sails most people thought the bigger sail was better (but was too big for the little uns) and one of the suggestions to solve the difference between the two rigs was to try and cut the smaller rig the same…….. but they didn’t go for that and it’s now a one rig class
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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a bit of the horse has already bolted scenario I guess, but you're right, the 10.2 is pretty much dead in the water from a UK 'travellers' class point of view... What will be interesting is to see the PY list in Feb/Mar 2015- will it go up or down? 578 race returns according the PY List printed 21/02/2014. Are folks still using the 10.2 for club racing, or have all the sails been turned into kit bags yet?
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AlexM ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 857 |
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2015 10.2 PY - It'll be Clive's Personal Fresham H'Cap
![]() For me I find it a real shame in where the class it at currently.... all it needed was a few more years of growth and it would of naturally split into two classes racing at the same venue. |
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boatbasher ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76 |
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The market sets the price ... if no-one wants them then that is why they are cheap ... But; don't expect the depreciation to stop there ... The cheapest boats to own are the popular classes even if they are more expensive in the first place, the residuals are greater. |
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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Wow, I got out of this at the right time! Sold for more than I bought it new for a year ago!
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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15 for sale on Apollo Duck - inc Graeme's old boat for £3995.00!
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I agree on the upwind Rupert, a Radial is definitely significantly faster in a blow (which is why I have one, for those windy days). Offwind as long as you can get the radial planing all the time then there is very little difference (in my experience on our puddle at Hunts) and you are less likely to swim (and it is a lot of fun hammering a radial round in a blow).
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Which is why, also, that the 300 fleet almost exclusively uses the big (B) rig rather than the smaller (A) rig - the opposite of what has happened in the 100s.
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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it's the 'opposite' in so many ways.
The 300 came to market with a weight equalisation rule to try and control sh*t. The class saw fit to say b**locks and let folks sail with whatever sail they wanted, albeit limited to rig switching mid-season for traveller series scores - probably a concession to get the silly wight equalisation rule dumped, and almost certainly unenforced through the fleet today. It continues to prosper as an active class, and hopefully a few new boats a year from BY@beer will sustain it. The 100 came to market with an open sails approach, limiting rig switching between series. The class saw fit to annihilate the less popular sail choice as some of them thought the 10.2s had an unfair advantage. Whatever... I think Alex summed it up well above, an unnecessary move, far too early in a class evolution. Bottom line multiple rigs... kiss of death, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 8.4 doesn't catch a cold as a result too. The D-One will easily support a lighter weight sailor as well as the Phantom boys. Tim Not So Dim was right, but I think even he would be surprised how quickly the bottom's dropped out of this class. I hope the Aero has a better fate. Edited by kneewrecker - 03 Jun 14 at 11:21am |
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boatbasher ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76 |
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I think the ambiguity over the rigs didn't help but fundamentally the concept was/is flawed ... it was never going to deliver on the performance promises ... Edited by boatbasher - 03 Jun 14 at 11:51am |
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