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    Posted: 03 Jun 14 at 9:23am
I wouldn’t really say it’s a monster.. no more difficult than a Phantom but like most things you’ve got to work hard to get the most out of it. However upwind the Phantom is much much better, most of the time you are racing 400s but with the 100 it’s just damage limitation. I think the monster tag might have come from the gybing aspect where it was difficult in high winds especially if you were at the lower end of the scale (a gybing strop soon sorted that out) Out of the two sails most people thought the bigger sail was better (but was too big for the little uns) and one of the suggestions to solve the difference between the two rigs was to try and cut the smaller rig the same…….. but they didn’t go for that and it’s now a one rig class

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Originally posted by AlexM

one of the suggestions to solve the difference between the two rigs was to try and cut the smaller rig the same…….. but they didn’t go for that and it’s now a one rig class

a bit of the horse has already bolted scenario I guess, but you're right, the 10.2 is pretty much dead in the water from a UK 'travellers'  class point of view...


What will be interesting is to see the PY list in Feb/Mar 2015- will it go up or down?  578 race returns according the PY List printed 21/02/2014.   Are folks still using the 10.2 for club racing, or have all the sails been turned into kit bags yet?


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2015 10.2 PY - It'll be Clive's Personal Fresham H'Cap

For me I find it a real shame in where the class it at currently.... all it needed was a few more years of growth and it would of naturally split into two classes racing at the same venue.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

for those interested but put off by the original price, you can now pick up an early boat for less than 4 grand!!!


The market sets the price ... if no-one wants them then that is why they are cheap ...

But; don't expect the depreciation to stop there ...

The cheapest boats to own are the popular classes even if they are more expensive in the first place, the residuals are greater.

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Wow, I got out of this at the right time! Sold for more than I bought it new for a year ago! 
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15 for sale on Apollo Duck - inc Graeme's old boat for £3995.00!
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Originally posted by Rupert

If you watch a big rig Laser going upwind when overpowered, you can see it sliding sideways in the gusts as wind is spilled, whereas the Radial is powered up more of the time and climbs higher. In the Laser, the extra upwind sail area is worth hanging onto for getting back down wind again. In the 100, you can bung up an extra sail, so there isn't the need for the bigger sail upwind. I'm sure if the boat was unarigged, the big sail would be the dominant one.

I agree on the upwind Rupert, a Radial is definitely significantly faster in a blow (which is why I have one, for those windy days).

Offwind as long as you can get the radial planing all the time then there is very little difference (in my experience on our puddle at Hunts) and you are less likely to swim (and it is a lot of fun hammering a radial round in a blow).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve411 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 14 at 11:08am
Originally posted by Rupert

If you watch a big rig Laser going upwind when overpowered, you can see it sliding sideways in the gusts as wind is spilled, whereas the Radial is powered up more of the time and climbs higher. In the Laser, the extra upwind sail area is worth hanging onto for getting back down wind again. In the 100, you can bung up an extra sail, so there isn't the need for the bigger sail upwind. I'm sure if the boat was unarigged, the big sail would be the dominant one.

Which is why, also, that the 300 fleet almost exclusively uses the big (B) rig rather than the smaller (A) rig - the opposite of what has happened in the 100s.
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it's the 'opposite' in so many ways.

The 300 came to market with a weight equalisation rule to try and control sh*t.  The class saw fit to say b**locks and let folks sail with whatever sail they wanted, albeit limited to rig switching mid-season for traveller series scores - probably a concession to get the silly wight equalisation rule dumped, and almost certainly unenforced through the fleet today.  It continues to prosper as an active class, and hopefully a few new boats a year from BY@beer will sustain it.

The 100 came to market with an open sails approach, limiting rig switching between series.  The class saw fit to annihilate the less popular sail choice as some of them thought the 10.2s had an unfair advantage.  Whatever... I think Alex summed it up well above, an unnecessary move, far too early in a class evolution. 

Bottom line multiple rigs... kiss of death, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 8.4 doesn't catch a cold as a result too.  The D-One will easily support a lighter weight sailor as well as the Phantom boys. 

Tim Not So Dim was right, but I think even he would be surprised how quickly the bottom's dropped out of this class.  

I hope the Aero has a better fate.




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Originally posted by kneewrecker



Tim Not So Dim was right, but I even he would be surprised how quickly the bottom's dropped out of this class.  



I think the ambiguity over the rigs didn't help but fundamentally the concept was/is flawed ... it was never going to deliver on the performance promises ...

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