Pondicaps...ffs.

   Pat, I think you'll find there is a much more complicated way of working out who won if there are different numbers of laps...

Grumph, you have been complaining for years about the Miracle handicap. All they have done is change the handicaps of other boats relative to it in order to reflect the performance of those boats on a tiny puddle. Isn't that what you wanted? It could be that they have over adjusted, and maybe not allowed for enough (lack of) crew skill factor, but what they are doing is what the RYA want clubs to do, isn't it? 

It may be that they will cut your handicap back a little after a while once they see what results are coming in, and you appear to be too favoured now. You could even suggest they knock 10 points off. What they are doing is difficult with only a few returns, but at least they are trying to get fair racing.

Remember, a PY isn't a fixed thing - it isn't "how fast my boat goes", so sailing off a different one may well reflect the potential of the boat better than the one in the lists for that stretch of water.

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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Pondicaps...ffs. Posted: 01 May 14 at 8:49am
	Pat, I think you'll find there is a much more complicated way of working out who won if there are different numbers of laps... Grumph, you have been complaining for years about the Miracle handicap. All they have done is change the handicaps of other boats relative to it in order to reflect the performance of those boats on a tiny puddle. Isn't that what you wanted? It could be that they have over adjusted, and maybe not allowed for enough (lack of) crew skill factor, but what they are doing is what the RYA want clubs to do, isn't it? It may be that they will cut your handicap back a little after a while once they see what results are coming in, and you appear to be too favoured now. You could even suggest they knock 10 points off. What they are doing is difficult with only a few returns, but at least they are trying to get fair racing. Remember, a PY isn't a fixed thing - it isn't "how fast my boat goes", so sailing off a different one may well reflect the potential of the boat better than the one in the lists for that stretch of water.
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patj Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 16 Jul 04 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 643	Post Options Post Reply Quote patj Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 14 at 6:21am
	Even simpler - ask your RO for the elapsed times and number of laps and use a calculator (usually free on your phone) to do the simple sum time in seconds x 1000 / handicap If they didn't all do the same number of laps then (time = race time in seconds/ laps completed x max laps completed) so if one did 5 laps and another 6 then time/5 x 6 Too many people rely on computers and scoring software and call it a black art when they just don't know the simple maths behind it all. Edited by patj - 01 May 14 at 6:22am

craiggo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810	Post Options Post Reply Quote craiggo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Apr 14 at 9:46pm
	iGRF, just download a copy of sailwave, ask your race team for a copy of the .blw file and put the PYs back to standard numbers and it will spit out the results as you want. Alternatively get your race team to set up an alias fleet in sailwave scored using the standard numbers and they can then print out both for you!

kneewrecker Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586	Post Options Post Reply Quote kneewrecker Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Apr 14 at 9:28pm
	I think you're over analysising it. Bottom line - well done, the spreadsheet monkey says you won... No need for feeling like it's a shallow victory!

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	True, personal handicaps are demotivating. The only place for them is in a pursuit race where at least they can provide closer racing on the water. Why don't your race team publish two sets of results: one using the personal h'caps and the one using the 'real' ones?
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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Apr 14 at 7:33pm
	Well today I finally won a race on the lake after the times were corrected, I couldn't believe it it's the 2nd week running I'd finished ahead, i thought I'd done enough last week, but a couple of minutes isn't enough to clear a Laser. Then this week 'have you got that fiver you promised us' came the call from the race team and they announced I'd done it, oh and that last weeks was wrong and I'd won that as well, elation however soon gave way when i saw what had happened. They've been fiddling like the Sailjuice lot on that infernal Sailwave machine and it's spat out a handicap for me of 1062, and 1102 for the Laser, so I'm now none the wiser as to what would have been the result at 1024 v 1088, not that I should given I already think 1088 is too much for the Laser, but in my mind 1062 is over generous with mine, but against what and how, it's silly stupid confusing and very very annoying, I don't feel I've achieved anything, other than maybe bragging rights back at Hythe in the bar, right up until they hear what my bloody handicap now is... You have to just ignore it all and enjoy the over the water result which was a good race anyway I guess. Edited by iGRF - 30 Apr 14 at 7:36pm
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