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    Posted: 27 Mar 14 at 7:20am
Originally posted by Blue One

Originally posted by yellowwelly

Contrast to Draycote- 10+ boats- probably the BEST singlehanded you could own there given the propensity for RTC randomness (which is great in 300s) with gusty, shifty wind, which again, is great in 300s.... Hardly any left now. Nothing quite so queer as folk....

Tell us again why you sold yours? Lol

He had a dream!  A dream that a fat man could sail an asymmetric boat around the cans on a midlands lake.

He had a dream, that the boat would perform well on a tiny, yet shifty gravel pit.

He had a dream, that this boat was the replacement for the laser.

He had a dream that two rig sizes was enough and that they could sail together in harmony 

He had a dream

Sadly he was dreaming, it turned into a nightmare.....what happens when you believe the brochure.

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very poetic Russ  LOL

... and Duncan a lot of us sold out for various reasons, mine was totally financially driven, I believed the 100 would kill the 300- I had  4 grand invested in one and I'd seen what the 700 did to 600 residuals and didn't fancy the same fate.  

To some extent that has happened, from a purely commercial / product management perspective I would have sh*t-canned it when I launched the 100, selling the 100 as the faster/easier to sail replacement.  Instead RS took a more 'organic view' to the class's demise, and certainly more respectful to the after-market than other businesses would have been in similar product lifecycle decisions around commercial viability- it's taken what, 4 years, to pull it out the line up.  If they've sold half a dozen in that time frame I'd be impressed.

Anyway, my memories of the RS300 are very positive- marred by the frustration of not getting one sooner (I should have replaced my MPS for one, rather than a Phantom) and I shouldn't have sold it and moved clubs for class racing an asymmetric RTC at a smaller venue (albeit the club itself was very friendly and welcoming, just not suitable for the boat.)  That season in the 300 was my best one at Draycote, hindsight is wonderful innit.... as is believing one's own hype.


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I think some of you might be missing the point with the 4000, IMHO. There are lots of them around, at silly cheap prices, especially given the performance. I can't think of any other OD dinghy class which has successfully thrown the baby out with the bathwater by updating the boat to the point that all other previous boats are obsolete. The 4000 is not a bad boat at all, it's just of it's time, and with careful refinement could be (already is) a great cheap boat for those who have a bit of experience. There is a huge ready made fleet waiting to happen, and making big changes would destroy that.

Once the fleet has established, it won't matter if the boat isn't the latest technology to new boat buyers - they will be getting involved in the class. Otherwise nobody would be buying new RS400s/Solos/Fireballs/insert OD class here. Some small, incremental changes which won't outclass the whole fleet are, in my opinion, a very good idea. Ditch the weight equalisation for lighter (and cheaper) simple racks, new mainsail (as done) and spend some time refining the control systems to reflect changes in that department. A new mast section is not necessarily a bad thing, as a lot of OD classes have choices in this respect anyway. I'm not sure if the old mast can be used with a masthead kite - if not then a new mast to carry one is not a good idea. Old boats still competitive, fleet building starts with the cheap boats.
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I see they are keeping the kite as is. Good move. I see the rest is remaining pretty much stock, apart from the main (and the mast change is to reduce costs on new boats). I'd still like to see them ditch the equalisation system for something lighter, simpler and cheaper on new boats, or at least test a simpler arrangement and see what the rest of the class says.


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Originally posted by Ruscoe

Originally posted by Blue One

Originally posted by yellowwelly

Contrast to Draycote- 10+ boats- probably the BEST singlehanded you could own there given the propensity for RTC randomness (which is great in 300s) with gusty, shifty wind, which again, is great in 300s.... Hardly any left now. Nothing quite so queer as folk....

Tell us again why you sold yours? Lol

He had a dream!  A dream that a fat man could sail an asymmetric boat around the cans on a midlands lake.

He had a dream, that the boat would perform well on a tiny, yet shifty gravel pit.

He had a dream, that this boat was the replacement for the laser.

He had a dream that two rig sizes was enough and that they could sail together in harmony 

He had a dream

Sadly he was dreaming, it turned into a nightmare.....what happens when you believe the brochure.

Wink

He does seem to spend a lot of time dreaming. LOL
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it's okay to eat fish, 'cos they don't have any feeling
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Originally posted by GarethT

I'll report back after the Christchurch event.
 
The real feature, despite what some from this parish say about it, is a massively resurgent RS:X fleet. It looks like the kids quite like it when they finish with Team 15 and Bic Techno after all.

Well, there were only 2 kiters entered so they cancelled the kite racing for Christchurch.
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are no fleets at open sea clubs.

We have 15 RS300s at Prestwick. That's a fleet....and it is defintely on the open sea.

They are a blast in big waves!
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Neil,

It's no good providing evidence....they's rather stick to their own misconceptions!
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That's a bit harsh Matt, it was 1 person that mentioned the 300's ability on the sea....so not 'they'

As you know I am a massive 300 fan, but some of the questions In This thread (or more like statements) are led by people not knowing what's going on with the fleet, they have read statements about rs no longer marketing the boat.  But the PR in the public domain since the transfer to BYAB have been so we hat sparse.  You can't Blaim. People for speculating on an open forum if the class or it's builder is not keeping the sailing public updated.  There is little excuse in these days of free social and online media. So no wonder speculation is of a more negative slant.


There is no denying that the 300 is a simply awesome boat, some of the best sails I have ever had have been in some seriously big waves in a blow ass clenched with cheeks split by the transom corner.  But the class needs to really push the great things it's doing.  Is there a publicity officer?  Maybe a good place to start?
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