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    Posted: 25 Mar 14 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by SimonW99

Sailing inside the salcombe bar ain't sea sailing and they wouldn't set races outside in rough conditions. 

Best fast unarig on the sea is a blaze or Supernova.............................

Which just shows how far off you are in your view of the 300 as a sea boat.  And I say that as someone who has spent years racing out of Stokes Bay and in Chi Harbour in some proper chop and some proper waves (and Brixham Nats to name but one).  I've also done some Blaze time too.  The 300s solid wings give graceful degradation.  My experience with the Blaze was that the wing tubes were pretty binary.  I can't speak for the 'nova.
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I never said it can't be sailed on the sea. It's just not a good sea boat that's why there are no fleets at open sea clubs. It's inherent instability means effort in doesn't generate enough reward. Having sailed it solidly for two years and our own fleet build and disintegrate in that period including better sailors than I, we knew the boat, I still have a soft spot for it, just think there are much better alternatives on the sea. Agree on the blaze racks. But the good blaze sailors manage very well and it had real legs in a breeze.
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Contender, on the sea, preferably down west somewhere like Looe.
Proper waves, proper sailing.

cheers for that  LOL
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Contender, on the sea, preferably down west somewhere like Looe.
Proper waves, proper sailing.


+1, there's nothing like it.
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by SimonW99

I never said it can't be sailed on the sea. It's just not a good sea boat that's why there are no fleets at open sea clubs. It's inherent instability means effort in doesn't generate enough reward. Having sailed it solidly for two years and our own fleet build and disintegrate in that period including better sailors than I, we knew the boat, I still have a soft spot for it, just think there are much better alternatives on the sea. Agree on the blaze racks. But the good blaze sailors manage very well and it had real legs in a breeze.



you've never been to or heard of Prestwick sailing club then ? 
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Originally posted by catmandoo

Originally posted by SimonW99

I never said it can't be sailed on the sea. It's just not a good sea boat that's why there are no fleets at open sea clubs. It's inherent instability means effort in doesn't generate enough reward. Having sailed it solidly for two years and our own fleet build and disintegrate in that period including better sailors than I, we knew the boat, I still have a soft spot for it, just think there are much better alternatives on the sea. Agree on the blaze racks. But the good blaze sailors manage very well and it had real legs in a breeze.



you've never been to or heard of Prestwick sailing club then ? 

Or indeed Stokes Bay which had 6 at one time.

And while at Thorney Island we wouldn't claim to be Open Sea, I can tell you that an ebbing Itchenor Reach facing at F4 or above is the hardest place I've ever sailed a 300.  And until a few folk got a little long in the tooth we had up to 8 there too.
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That's the point, they "Had" . We HAD.

Fleets can grow and survive if they are appropriate to conditions. Groups of enthusiastic  individuals may 'grow' a fleet short term, but a real fleet lasts. Our blaze fleet goes up and down, but they never go, and then you turn around and the parks full of the things . To me, that's a fleet of boats suitable for the location.
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Posts: 1459 		Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 14 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by SimonW99

That's the point, they "Had" . We HAD.

Fleets can grow and survive if they are appropriate to conditions. Groups of enthusiastic  individuals may 'grow' a fleet short term, but a real fleet lasts. Our blaze fleet goes up and down, but they never go, and then you turn around and the parks full of the things . To me, that's a fleet of boats suitable for the location.



Not really valid in some cases.  Both TISC and SBSC have a somewhat mobile population due to the proportion of military who take their boats with them when posted.  I've been one of them.

There are still 5 of us at Thorney as a minimum.  So much like your Blaze fleet.

And Prestwick is an absolute example.  Very open sea.  Loads of 300s.  It's the black swan to your generalisation I'm afraid.
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Contrast to Draycote- 10+ boats- probably the BEST singlehanded you could own there given the propensity for RTC randomness (which is great in 300s) with gusty, shifty wind, which again, is great in 300s.... Hardly any left now. Nothing quite so queer as folk....
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Contrast to Draycote- 10+ boats- probably the BEST singlehanded you could own there given the propensity for RTC randomness (which is great in 300s) with gusty, shifty wind, which again, is great in 300s.... Hardly any left now. Nothing quite so queer as folk....

Tell us again why you sold yours? Lol
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